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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 07 May 15 9.37pm
Quote Mapletree at 07 May 2015 9.33pm As a matter of interest, Polish healthcare is excellent. And we do have medical migrants going to the Czech Republic and to Hungary. But you dont sit in a doctors waiting room in Budapest and find that every other person in there is from Britain "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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As a matter of interest, Polish healthcare is excellent. And we do have medical migrants going to the Czech Republic and to Hungary.

But you dont sit in a doctors waiting room in Budapest and find that every other person in there is from Britain

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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davenotamonkey 07 May 15 9.41pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 07 May 2015 5.59pm Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 5.45pm Quote Stuk at 07 May 2015 5.37pm Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 5.29pm Quote derben at 07 May 2015 5.18pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 4.41pm Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 4.14pm Right enough of this shyte. Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ? Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required. As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them. Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir. Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls). The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated. The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back). What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration? The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, some of whom take benefits, and/or work within. Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.32pm) 1.8-2m 1 British person in Poland is on benefits. How many Polish do you think are on benefits here? It's a two way street, but it's not an even burden. What about the Brits in serious recession hit Spain using their health services and other state facilities? How many Spanish are here doing the same. Es verdad. Sea un calle con dos caminos. Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.47pm) I saw that documentary "Last Brits Standing" where they showed old Brits going to the Spanish doctor and getting free healthcare while embarassingly not speaking a word of Spanish. What they didn't mention is that Britain contributes £250m a year to the Spanish health budget to help them cover it. How much do you think the Slovakian and Polish governments are contributing to the NHS? Not really relevant, unless they contribute more than the (huge) imbalance between our net payments to the EU (one of, if not now the highest) vs. their net receipt (the highest, has been for years) of EU payments. So, we pay into a system where taxpayer money is funnelled to places like Poland and not Peterborough, and we also end up paying for (in the Polish case) 15,000 of them to be on the dole here. Is there any wonder people are scratching their heads at the lunacy of it?
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Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls).

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?

The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, some of whom take benefits, and/or work within.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.32pm)

1.8-2m

1 British person in Poland is on benefits. How many Polish do you think are on benefits here?

It's a two way street, but it's not an even burden.

What about the Brits in serious recession hit Spain using their health services and other state facilities? How many Spanish are here doing the same.

Es verdad. Sea un calle con dos caminos.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.47pm)

I saw that documentary "Last Brits Standing" where they showed old Brits going to the Spanish doctor and getting free healthcare while embarassingly not speaking a word of Spanish.

What they didn't mention is that Britain contributes £250m a year to the Spanish health budget to help them cover it.

How much do you think the Slovakian and Polish governments are contributing to the NHS?

Not really relevant, unless they contribute more than the (huge) imbalance between our net payments to the EU (one of, if not now *the* highest) vs. their net receipt (the highest, has been for years) of EU payments.

So, we pay into a system where taxpayer money is funnelled to places like Poland and not Peterborough, and we also end up paying for (in the Polish case) 15,000 of them to be on the dole here.

Is there any wonder people are scratching their heads at the lunacy of it?

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Quote Stuk at 07 May 2015 7.48pm Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 5.55pm Quote Stuk at 07 May 2015 5.53pm Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 5.45pm Quote Stuk at 07 May 2015 5.37pm Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 5.29pm Quote derben at 07 May 2015 5.18pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 4.41pm Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 4.14pm Right enough of this shyte. Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ? Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required. As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them. Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir. Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls). The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated. The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back). What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration? The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, some of whom take benefits, and/or work within. Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.32pm) 1.8-2m 1 British person in Poland is on benefits. How many Polish do you think are on benefits here? It's a two way street, but it's not an even burden. What about the Brits in serious recession hit Spain using their health services and other state facilities? How many Spanish are here doing the same. Es verdad. Sea un calle con dos caminos. Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.47pm) Those 1m Brits in Spain are propping up what remains of their economy. 3870 Spanish on benefits in Britain, 2973 British on benefits in Spain. Next question... Yes. But I just said 'using state facilities' not 'on benefits'. Try again. Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.57pm) Unquantifiable. And what I've given you is a very good yardstick. And I wonder how many dependent children there are of the 2,000,000 Brits living in other EU countries who are receiving free education and healthcare? Can't be easy for those Med countries who are suffering the most to provide for them. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?

The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, some of whom take benefits, and/or work within.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.32pm)

1.8-2m

1 British person in Poland is on benefits. How many Polish do you think are on benefits here?

It's a two way street, but it's not an even burden.

What about the Brits in serious recession hit Spain using their health services and other state facilities? How many Spanish are here doing the same.

Es verdad. Sea un calle con dos caminos.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.47pm)

Those 1m Brits in Spain are propping up what remains of their economy.

3870 Spanish on benefits in Britain, 2973 British on benefits in Spain.

Next question...

Yes. But I just said 'using state facilities' not 'on benefits'. Try again.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.57pm)

Unquantifiable. And what I've given you is a very good yardstick.

And I wonder how many dependent children there are of the 2,000,000 Brits living in other EU countries who are receiving free education and healthcare? Can't be easy for those Med countries who are suffering the most to provide for them.

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Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 9.44pm Quote Stuk at 07 May 2015 7.48pm Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 5.55pm Quote Stuk at 07 May 2015 5.53pm Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 5.45pm Quote Stuk at 07 May 2015 5.37pm Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 5.29pm Quote derben at 07 May 2015 5.18pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 4.41pm Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 4.14pm Right enough of this shyte. Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ? Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required. As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them. Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir. Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls). The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated. The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back). What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration? The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, some of whom take benefits, and/or work within. Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.32pm) 1.8-2m 1 British person in Poland is on benefits. How many Polish do you think are on benefits here? It's a two way street, but it's not an even burden. What about the Brits in serious recession hit Spain using their health services and other state facilities? How many Spanish are here doing the same. Es verdad. Sea un calle con dos caminos. Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.47pm) Those 1m Brits in Spain are propping up what remains of their economy. 3870 Spanish on benefits in Britain, 2973 British on benefits in Spain. Next question... Yes. But I just said 'using state facilities' not 'on benefits'. Try again. Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.57pm) Unquantifiable. And what I've given you is a very good yardstick. And I wonder how many dependent children there are of the 2,000,000 Brits living in other EU countries who are receiving free education and healthcare? Can't be easy for those Med countries who are suffering the most to provide for them. You claimed most of them are old. Expat pensioners are well known to have dependent children aren't they? Optimistic as ever
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Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?

The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, some of whom take benefits, and/or work within.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.32pm)

1.8-2m

1 British person in Poland is on benefits. How many Polish do you think are on benefits here?

It's a two way street, but it's not an even burden.

What about the Brits in serious recession hit Spain using their health services and other state facilities? How many Spanish are here doing the same.

Es verdad. Sea un calle con dos caminos.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.47pm)

Those 1m Brits in Spain are propping up what remains of their economy.

3870 Spanish on benefits in Britain, 2973 British on benefits in Spain.

Next question...

Yes. But I just said 'using state facilities' not 'on benefits'. Try again.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.57pm)

Unquantifiable. And what I've given you is a very good yardstick.

You claimed most of them are old. Expat pensioners are well known to have dependent children aren't they?

Optimistic as ever

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Quote Stuk at 07 May 2015 9.58pm Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 9.44pm Quote Stuk at 07 May 2015 7.48pm Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 5.55pm Quote Stuk at 07 May 2015 5.53pm Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 5.45pm Quote Stuk at 07 May 2015 5.37pm Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 5.29pm Quote derben at 07 May 2015 5.18pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 4.41pm Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 4.14pm Right enough of this shyte. Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ? Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required. As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them. Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir. Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls). The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated. The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back). What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration? The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, some of whom take benefits, and/or work within. Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.32pm) 1.8-2m 1 British person in Poland is on benefits. How many Polish do you think are on benefits here? It's a two way street, but it's not an even burden. What about the Brits in serious recession hit Spain using their health services and other state facilities? How many Spanish are here doing the same. Es verdad. Sea un calle con dos caminos. Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.47pm) Those 1m Brits in Spain are propping up what remains of their economy. 3870 Spanish on benefits in Britain, 2973 British on benefits in Spain. Next question... Yes. But I just said 'using state facilities' not 'on benefits'. Try again. Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.57pm) Unquantifiable. And what I've given you is a very good yardstick. And I wonder how many dependent children there are of the 2,000,000 Brits living in other EU countries who are receiving free education and healthcare? Can't be easy for those Med countries who are suffering the most to provide for them. You claimed most of them are old. Expat pensioners are well known to have dependent children aren't they? Most? No I didn't say that. I said 'many'. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?

The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, some of whom take benefits, and/or work within.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.32pm)

1.8-2m

1 British person in Poland is on benefits. How many Polish do you think are on benefits here?

It's a two way street, but it's not an even burden.

What about the Brits in serious recession hit Spain using their health services and other state facilities? How many Spanish are here doing the same.

Es verdad. Sea un calle con dos caminos.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.47pm)

Those 1m Brits in Spain are propping up what remains of their economy.

3870 Spanish on benefits in Britain, 2973 British on benefits in Spain.

Next question...

Yes. But I just said 'using state facilities' not 'on benefits'. Try again.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.57pm)

Unquantifiable. And what I've given you is a very good yardstick.

You claimed most of them are old. Expat pensioners are well known to have dependent children aren't they?

Most? No I didn't say that. I said 'many'.

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Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?

The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, some of whom take benefits, and/or work within.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.32pm)

1.8-2m

1 British person in Poland is on benefits. How many Polish do you think are on benefits here?

It's a two way street, but it's not an even burden.

What about the Brits in serious recession hit Spain using their health services and other state facilities? How many Spanish are here doing the same.

Es verdad. Sea un calle con dos caminos.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.47pm)

Those 1m Brits in Spain are propping up what remains of their economy.

3870 Spanish on benefits in Britain, 2973 British on benefits in Spain.

Next question...

Yes. But I just said 'using state facilities' not 'on benefits'. Try again.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.57pm)

Unquantifiable. And what I've given you is a very good yardstick.

You claimed most of them are old. Expat pensioners are well known to have dependent children aren't they?

Most? No I didn't say that. I said 'many'.

Okay many. Still leaves you arguing with yourself.

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 4.41pm Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 4.14pm Right enough of this shyte. Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ? Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required. As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them. Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir. Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls). The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated. The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back). Which is the right answer and what Danno said in his follow up. Its the same with the EU membership question - the polarisation of issues, i.e a full withdrawal by UKIP from those Brussels based cheese eating, jackboot wearing, moped riding surrender monkeys who want to standardise the British Sausage or an we join and undertake in the unfettered federalised fckfest, when, as with everything the truth and correct path is somewhere in the middle. Polarisation and simplification is politics in a nutshell. In general the floating voter is a political illiterate and its best not to complicate things... Look at the main messages of the election..all about 'don't vote for them because' Cons: Spread fear and terror on Economy, Lab: Spread fear and terror on NHS UKIP : Spread fear and terror on European Union SNP: Fck England Lib Dems: Hey, don't forget about us, we know we sold every liberal principle down the river for a brief whiff of power but we are all jolly good eggs really.. Edited by The Sash (08 May 2015 9.07am) Edited by The Sash (08 May 2015 9.09am) As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls).

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

Which is the right answer and what Danno said in his follow up.

Its the same with the EU membership question - the polarisation of issues, i.e a full withdrawal by UKIP from those Brussels based cheese eating, jackboot wearing, moped riding surrender monkeys who want to standardise the British Sausage or an we join and undertake in the unfettered federalised f*ckfest, when, as with everything the truth and correct path is somewhere in the middle.

Polarisation and simplification is politics in a nutshell. In general the floating voter is a political illiterate and its best not to complicate things...

Look at the main messages of the election..all about 'don't vote for them because'

Cons: Spread fear and terror on Economy,
Lab: Spread fear and terror on NHS
UKIP : Spread fear and terror on European Union
SNP: F*ck England
Lib Dems: Hey, don't forget about us, we know we sold every liberal principle down the river for a brief whiff of power but we are all jolly good eggs really..

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