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 The Sash  Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 20 Apr 15 3.11pm |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 17 Apr 2015 5.34pm
Just heard Bennett on the radio. She reckons Britain has a "historic moral duty" to reduce carbon emissions because of the industrial revolution and "most of the carbon already up there came from us."
These people are dangerous. Sadly for the Greens they seem to have chosen a real anchor in terms of leader. Every word out of her mouth is a candidate for Pseuds Corner and she cannot answer specifics to save her life. Shame, they could have made some small inroads but hey ho.
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imbored  UK 20 Apr 15 3.20pm |
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Miliband now officially slight odds on with the bookies to be prime minister. Interesting election ahead.
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| Hoof Hearted 20 Apr 15 3.51pm | |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 17 Apr 2015 2.24pm
Fair point. The audience should (if it *should* be anything at all) a reasonable reflection of society. The BBC is doing its job if it just randomly selects from the applicants. What they tend to do is pick a mixture. Often it's the mad lefties who are just louder than the rest (empty vessels make the most noise). Same applies to the questions they select. I'm often a bit suspicious about the questions they choose (I'm basing all my comments on 'Any Questions') because sometimes they seem deliberately chosen to appeal to lefties. But they're just the ones I notice. The ones which appeal to right-wingers I probably just think are sensible! I agree that audiences for these sort of things should in principle be balanced or selected randomly. But in this instance I actually think any real anger over the audience selection is a bit unnecessary as this debate will primarily have helped shape the view points of left-wing voters, so the questions and audience being primarily left wing (which does appear to have been the case), seems much less important. I actually don't know what the selection criteria was on the questions though - there could have been a bias. Then "lefties" could argue it was just levelling up the fairly obvious bias shown in the Sky debates - especially by the rather fawning Kay Burley. Will be interesting to see if the final "debate" on QT is framed with a similar audience and slant of questioning.
Since then the BBC have admitted that people with leftwing views/opinions made up 67% of the audience... so Farage was right to highlight it... it was pretty obviously a leftwing bias though.
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| imbored UK 20 Apr 15 4.24pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 20 Apr 2015 3.51pm
Quote OknotOK at 20 Apr 2015 1.40pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 17 Apr 2015 2.24pm
Fair point. The audience should (if it *should* be anything at all) a reasonable reflection of society. The BBC is doing its job if it just randomly selects from the applicants. What they tend to do is pick a mixture. Often it's the mad lefties who are just louder than the rest (empty vessels make the most noise). Same applies to the questions they select. I'm often a bit suspicious about the questions they choose (I'm basing all my comments on 'Any Questions') because sometimes they seem deliberately chosen to appeal to lefties. But they're just the ones I notice. The ones which appeal to right-wingers I probably just think are sensible! I agree that audiences for these sort of things should in principle be balanced or selected randomly. But in this instance I actually think any real anger over the audience selection is a bit unnecessary as this debate will primarily have helped shape the view points of left-wing voters, so the questions and audience being primarily left wing (which does appear to have been the case), seems much less important. I actually don't know what the selection criteria was on the questions though - there could have been a bias. Then "lefties" could argue it was just levelling up the fairly obvious bias shown in the Sky debates - especially by the rather fawning Kay Burley. Will be interesting to see if the final "debate" on QT is framed with a similar audience and slant of questioning.
Since then the BBC have admitted that people with leftwing views/opinions made up 67% of the audience... so Farage was right to highlight it... it was pretty obviously a leftwing bias though. They likely had a certain percentage of supporters of each party. Most of the parties there were left wing. There are several ways of working it so the fairness point is subjective. Farage attacking the audience was probably preplanned. It was a clever move and he's a clever politician. Edited by imbored (20 Apr 2015 4.25pm)
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Seth  On a pale blue dot 20 Apr 15 4.41pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 20 Apr 2015 3.51pm
Since then the BBC have admitted that people with leftwing views/opinions made up 67% of the audience... so Farage was right to highlight it... it was pretty obviously a leftwing bias though.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Apr 15 4.46pm |
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Apparently our Nige had 2 bottles of gin confiscated on the way into the central methodist hall before the debate last week.
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 20 Apr 15 4.46pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 20 Apr 2015 3.51pm
Quote OknotOK at 20 Apr 2015 1.40pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 17 Apr 2015 2.24pm
Fair point. The audience should (if it *should* be anything at all) a reasonable reflection of society. The BBC is doing its job if it just randomly selects from the applicants. What they tend to do is pick a mixture. Often it's the mad lefties who are just louder than the rest (empty vessels make the most noise). Same applies to the questions they select. I'm often a bit suspicious about the questions they choose (I'm basing all my comments on 'Any Questions') because sometimes they seem deliberately chosen to appeal to lefties. But they're just the ones I notice. The ones which appeal to right-wingers I probably just think are sensible! I agree that audiences for these sort of things should in principle be balanced or selected randomly. But in this instance I actually think any real anger over the audience selection is a bit unnecessary as this debate will primarily have helped shape the view points of left-wing voters, so the questions and audience being primarily left wing (which does appear to have been the case), seems much less important. I actually don't know what the selection criteria was on the questions though - there could have been a bias. Then "lefties" could argue it was just levelling up the fairly obvious bias shown in the Sky debates - especially by the rather fawning Kay Burley. Will be interesting to see if the final "debate" on QT is framed with a similar audience and slant of questioning.
Since then the BBC have admitted that people with leftwing views/opinions made up 67% of the audience... so Farage was right to highlight it... it was pretty obviously a leftwing bias though. Actually the BBC admitted that "left-wing" made up 102 of 200 audience members, so 51%. And even then that is if you include the Lib Dems - who position themselves deliberately as central - as left wing. 58 were Tory or UKIP supporters. The rest were undecided. The actual makeup was: So 10 would be "left wing" (45% of decided voters, 36% of the total audience), 4 would be centre ground, 8 would be right wing (36% of the decided voters, 29% of total audience). And the rest of the audience were undecided. And ITV has confirmed it used the same distribution as well. So clearly the BBC didn't select its audience any differently to the other debates. Which leads me back to the idea that it is all "the right" getting in a fluster about something because they performed badly. What could have given a bigger left wing bias would have been the panel - which was predominantly left wing.
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| imbored UK 20 Apr 15 5.03pm |
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Quote OknotOK at 20 Apr 2015 4.46pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 20 Apr 2015 3.51pm
Quote OknotOK at 20 Apr 2015 1.40pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 17 Apr 2015 2.24pm
Fair point. The audience should (if it *should* be anything at all) a reasonable reflection of society. The BBC is doing its job if it just randomly selects from the applicants. What they tend to do is pick a mixture. Often it's the mad lefties who are just louder than the rest (empty vessels make the most noise). Same applies to the questions they select. I'm often a bit suspicious about the questions they choose (I'm basing all my comments on 'Any Questions') because sometimes they seem deliberately chosen to appeal to lefties. But they're just the ones I notice. The ones which appeal to right-wingers I probably just think are sensible! I agree that audiences for these sort of things should in principle be balanced or selected randomly. But in this instance I actually think any real anger over the audience selection is a bit unnecessary as this debate will primarily have helped shape the view points of left-wing voters, so the questions and audience being primarily left wing (which does appear to have been the case), seems much less important. I actually don't know what the selection criteria was on the questions though - there could have been a bias. Then "lefties" could argue it was just levelling up the fairly obvious bias shown in the Sky debates - especially by the rather fawning Kay Burley. Will be interesting to see if the final "debate" on QT is framed with a similar audience and slant of questioning.
Since then the BBC have admitted that people with leftwing views/opinions made up 67% of the audience... so Farage was right to highlight it... it was pretty obviously a leftwing bias though. Actually the BBC admitted that "left-wing" made up 102 of 200 audience members, so 51%. And even then that is if you include the Lib Dems - who position themselves deliberately as central - as left wing. 58 were Tory or UKIP supporters. The rest were undecided. The actual makeup was: So 10 would be "left wing" (45% of decided voters, 36% of the total audience), 4 would be centre ground, 8 would be right wing (36% of the decided voters, 29% of total audience). And the rest of the audience were undecided. And ITV has confirmed it used the same distribution as well. So clearly the BBC didn't select its audience any differently to the other debates. Which leads me back to the idea that it is all "the right" getting in a fluster about something because they performed badly. What could have given a bigger left wing bias would have been the panel - which was predominantly left wing.
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 20 Apr 15 5.12pm |
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Quote imbored at 20 Apr 2015 5.03pm
Interesting. Seems perfectly fair then. Like I said before, this was likely a pre-planned piece by Nigel to appeal to right wing voters. Looks like it worked. Yes I would say so. The only thing is that the maths doesn't seem to work. 160 decided voters with a split of 22 between the voters which means you wouldn't end up with whole numbers. But I presume they found some way around that. That's the numbers in the Telegraph anyway
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| Hoof Hearted 21 Apr 15 11.32am | |
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Quote OknotOK at 20 Apr 2015 4.46pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 20 Apr 2015 3.51pm
Quote OknotOK at 20 Apr 2015 1.40pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 17 Apr 2015 2.24pm
Fair point. The audience should (if it *should* be anything at all) a reasonable reflection of society. The BBC is doing its job if it just randomly selects from the applicants. What they tend to do is pick a mixture. Often it's the mad lefties who are just louder than the rest (empty vessels make the most noise). Same applies to the questions they select. I'm often a bit suspicious about the questions they choose (I'm basing all my comments on 'Any Questions') because sometimes they seem deliberately chosen to appeal to lefties. But they're just the ones I notice. The ones which appeal to right-wingers I probably just think are sensible! I agree that audiences for these sort of things should in principle be balanced or selected randomly. But in this instance I actually think any real anger over the audience selection is a bit unnecessary as this debate will primarily have helped shape the view points of left-wing voters, so the questions and audience being primarily left wing (which does appear to have been the case), seems much less important. I actually don't know what the selection criteria was on the questions though - there could have been a bias. Then "lefties" could argue it was just levelling up the fairly obvious bias shown in the Sky debates - especially by the rather fawning Kay Burley. Will be interesting to see if the final "debate" on QT is framed with a similar audience and slant of questioning.
Since then the BBC have admitted that people with leftwing views/opinions made up 67% of the audience... so Farage was right to highlight it... it was pretty obviously a leftwing bias though. Actually the BBC admitted that "left-wing" made up 102 of 200 audience members, so 51%. And even then that is if you include the Lib Dems - who position themselves deliberately as central - as left wing. 58 were Tory or UKIP supporters. The rest were undecided. The actual makeup was: So 10 would be "left wing" (45% of decided voters, 36% of the total audience), 4 would be centre ground, 8 would be right wing (36% of the decided voters, 29% of total audience). And the rest of the audience were undecided. And ITV has confirmed it used the same distribution as well. So clearly the BBC didn't select its audience any differently to the other debates. Which leads me back to the idea that it is all "the right" getting in a fluster about something because they performed badly. What could have given a bigger left wing bias would have been the panel - which was predominantly left wing.
Where is your breakdown from? By the way I never said the BBC selected the audience... but whoever it was it was biased towards the left wing.
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 21 Apr 15 11.35am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Apr 2015 11.32am
I got my information from BBC News 2 days after the debate.... they definitely said 67% of the audience were left wing supporters. Where is your breakdown from? By the way I never said the BBC selected the audience... but whoever it was it was biased towards the left wing. My numbers are per the Telegraph link I posted. It was also on the BBC. If you included the Lib Dems along with Labour, SNP, Greens, and Plaid then it would get to 102 as "left wing". This was of a total of 160 decided voters so would be 64% of decided voters. But there were an additional 20% (40 voters) who were undecided. And as the article clearly shows, the audience was no more biased to left wing than the ITV debates were - which no one complained about. And are selected by an independent party. Edited by OknotOK (21 Apr 2015 11.36am)
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| Hoof Hearted 21 Apr 15 4.18pm | |
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Quote OknotOK at 21 Apr 2015 11.35am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Apr 2015 11.32am
I got my information from BBC News 2 days after the debate.... they definitely said 67% of the audience were left wing supporters. Where is your breakdown from? By the way I never said the BBC selected the audience... but whoever it was it was biased towards the left wing. My numbers are per the Telegraph link I posted. It was also on the BBC. If you included the Lib Dems along with Labour, SNP, Greens, and Plaid then it would get to 102 as "left wing". This was of a total of 160 decided voters so would be 64% of decided voters. But there were an additional 20% (40 voters) who were undecided. And as the article clearly shows, the audience was no more biased to left wing than the ITV debates were - which no one complained about. And are selected by an independent party. Edited by OknotOK (21 Apr 2015 11.36am)
You appear to be putting your own interpretation on what the article shows.
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