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Can we adopt our 1861 date of birth?
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 cryrst  The garden of England 20 Jul 22 7.40pm |
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Originally posted by rikz
Why not we nicked, barcas colours, benficas nickname, we even started out in villa's kit, might aswell nick another clubs D.O.B, shame there's no decent stadiums close by we could claim squatters rights in. if spurs got the Olympic stadium we were getting a new one. Probably fake news but somewhere I’m sure I read it.
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Bearcage  Welling 20 Jul 22 8.34pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
if spurs got the Olympic stadium we were getting a new one. Probably fake news but somewhere I’m sure I read it. Yes, as part of spurs taking the Olympic stadium they proposed a new athletic stadium at Crystal Palace, as part of the development CPFC would’ve moved there into a new football stadium too. Instead they gave the stadium to West Ham and we subsidise them Edited by Bearcage (20 Jul 2022 8.34pm)
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 08 Jun 23 7.07pm |
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This Sunday (June 11), explore the significant spots in Penge and Anerley that tell the story of the first Crystal Palace Football Club on a walking tour. Discover the fascinating lives of the local pioneering footballers that helped establish the modern game. Book your place: [Link]
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 25 Jul 23 3.05pm |
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I've got a facsimile of the infamous 1906 CPFC handbook. You will see for yourself the multiple times it refers to the club's first season. It does not say anything about an amateur club. Manning says: "When the professional club published its first handbook in 1906, having joined Division 2 of the Southern League, it listed some of the internationals who had previously represented the club, including Alex Morten in 1873 and Arthur Savage and Charles Eastlake Smith in 1876, showing that they recognised themselves as a continuation of the original amateur team." Did they? He doesn't say is that this is buried in a list of general football 'Records and Facts' on the last page of the handbook. Manning has ripped this line out of context.
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Attachment: | dreamwaverider London 25 Jul 23 3.22pm |
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If and when we one day return home to Crystal Palace, we will unreservedly be able to claim 1861
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 05 Nov 23 6.40pm |
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Stuart Hibberd talks to the London History podcast about the first Crystal Palace FC. [Link]
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 09 Feb 24 4.45pm |
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There's a website on the old Crystal Palace club – [Link]
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| Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 09 Feb 24 5.55pm |
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My wife gave me Peter Manning's book, Palace at The Palace for Christmas. Very well researched and an interesting read which provides pretty compelling evidence that our club originated in 1861.
Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled. |
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 09 Feb 24 5.59pm |
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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer
My wife gave me Peter Manning's book, Palace at The Palace for Christmas. Very well researched and an interesting read which provides pretty compelling evidence that our club originated in 1861. What was the compelling evidence?
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| Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 09 Feb 24 6.26pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
What was the compelling evidence? In those days football as we know it, was in its infancy and teams were mainly formed by members of cricket clubs who wanted something to do in the winter. In 1861 the Crystal Palace Cricket Club decided to form their own football club. It satisfies me anyway! Read the book, it's fascinating in many ways.
Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled. |
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| dorking 09 Feb 24 8.30pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
There's a website on the old Crystal Palace club – [Link] This bit sums it up for me This claim has been disputed by football historians and also rejected by the Football Association after a detailed review by the National Football Museum. The FA told The Times in April 2022: “Amongst those historians, the broad consensus is that there is not a clear, substantial and continuous link from the Crystal Palace club founded in 1861 to that founded in 1905. Therefore, we will continue to recognise both the 1861 and 1905 foundation dates of the clubs named Crystal Palace.” The sooner that 1861 comes off the current club's crest, the better as far as I am concerned.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 09 Feb 24 11.59pm |
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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer
In those days football as we know it, was in its infancy and teams were mainly formed by members of cricket clubs who wanted something to do in the winter. In 1861 the Crystal Palace Cricket Club decided to form their own football club. It satisfies me anyway! Read the book, it's fascinating in many ways. It was members of the cricket club, not the cricket club. Anyhow, the football club folded in 1876. A new club of the same name started three decades later that had nothing to do with the old club. I've read the book and Manning has provided no evidence to the contrary. It's funny that the club historian hasn't come to the same conclusion.
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