Yeah, preferably 2 or 3 selections, or a treble within a 4fold if you think 3 will win but not 100% sure of which 3 of the 4. You'll get your stake back plus possibly more if just 3 win. (1 line of 4 wins, the other 3 don't) Your stake is protected and you have survived a week's loss. A treble of 4 lines coming in is usually half of what the 4fold would be. 1 line is stake back, give or take depending on which 3 came in.

If you're doing just a 4fold, you may as well knock the least likely result of the 4 (may be the longest odds result) and do a treble. The odds may halve but the likelihood of winning is greater. However, if it's a cert such as Man Utd v Reading, sometimes include it to bump up a low odds acca. This can apply to double or trebles.

If you have odds of 3/1 on a regular basis then you have to win every 4th bet to break even. Not only is this possible with a good system or method but you can start to make either a regular return and build your pot and stake, if you want to. Going for wild and long odds means that 1 winner gives you plenty of weeks before the winnings run down, but it's unlikely you'll build anything.

When you look at the fixtures/ coupon, it's a good idea to start with League 2, then League 1, Championship and Prem. If you do it from top to bottom you never get to the bottom with all the 'umming' and 'arrghing', or if you do, you're losing patience and focus of what it is you're looking at or for. If you do it bottom to top, that way you'll either have a few certs, and/or a lot of choices before looking at a Prem list in a league where there aren't as many wins in the lower leagues and leagues where there's 8 more games.

Don't ever select the top 4 all to win, it rarely ever happens. Don't bet on or against Stoke in the league. They're hard to beat which means draws. Don't change your thinking if it works. If a week didn't return but has been before, chances are it will next week or the week after. Add 1 week to the average odds you go for and if you win more than once every 2,3,4 weeks then you're winning.

COYP

Any tips for this weekend? Based on some of the suggestions/ideas above, I have my eye on this treble:

MK DONS to beat Bury

FLEETWOOD to beat Brizzle Rovers

ROTHERHAM to beat Barnet

Pays at just under 3/1 (2.7/1 to be precise) - only slight nervousness is due to living in MK, the MK Dons seem to always fcuk up my acca's!! And clearly the odds do not suggest I'll be paying off the mortgage if it comes in. Could do with possibly adding 1 more game perhaps?!

When Geoff went up to lift the Zenith Cup I was there, I was there....

I haven't looked at the coupon yet but MK Dons have some serious injury problems and lost 2 home games immediately after suffering the injuries. Both against much lesser sides. There will probably be better options for your treble and if you do go with that treble, don't add another if you're not confident on the 3, you're adding to the likelihood the bookies will take your money. Isn't it better to have 2 weeks where you win 2/1 or 3/1 on the same stake in both weeks than losing in the 1st week with an 8/1 4fold?

COYP

Yeah Sky seem to be a lot less restrictive with their free bets whereas sites like Bet365 will make you jump through hoops to ever stand a chance of profiting from it. For good odds I usually use Betvictor but I’m using my SkyBet account a lot lately with the free £5 bet they give you every week (as long as you spend over £5 in the previous). Not a bad deal for me as I only usually put down a 10er a weekend... well £5 now.

Edited by Geoff Tipps (11 Jan 2013 3.31pm)

Had a look at the coupon. MK Dons at home to Bury. Bury are p1ss poor so maybe worth a go. MK Dons need a home result but there's always Bury to get their 1st win in 8 games. Having said all that, 8/15 isn't great and probably not worth it.

(P.S - can you post at the bottom of discussions, it's easier to follow than at the top. Thanks)

Edited by Rudi Hedman (11 Jan 2013 7.12pm)

COYP

I'm fancying a trixie of the following although may remove Doncaster due to new manager and keep it as a double.

Cheltenham
Brentford
Doncaster