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 silvertop  Portishead 07 Jul 14 11.56am |
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Quote ghosteagle at 07 Jul 2014 10.34am
Quote matt_himself at 07 Jul 2014 8.24am
The Israelis have arrested a number of suspects in relation to the horrific death of the Palestinian teenager: Now, will the Palestinians to do the right thing and identify the murderers of the Israeli teens? I was under the impression that Hamas had denied responsibility?
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| ghosteagle 07 Jul 14 12.07pm |
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Quote silvertop at 07 Jul 2014 11.56am
Quote ghosteagle at 07 Jul 2014 10.34am
Quote matt_himself at 07 Jul 2014 8.24am
The Israelis have arrested a number of suspects in relation to the horrific death of the Palestinian teenager: Now, will the Palestinians to do the right thing and identify the murderers of the Israeli teens? I was under the impression that Hamas had denied responsibility?
My mistake, i forgot that Israel is beyond reproach.
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Kermit8  Hevon 07 Jul 14 12.16pm |
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From Amnesty...
In the following three weeks, the Israeli military killed at least 1,383 Palestinians, including 333 children. Palestinian armed groups killed thirteen Israelis, including three civilians, in rocket attacks on Southern Israel."
Violence begets violence in this long running conflict like no other.
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philontour  cardiff 07 Jul 14 12.52pm |
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they get mentioned a lot in the bible and think they are watched over by the big man upstairs,i think its in exodus somewhere(long time since sunday school)eye for eye,blood for blood,man for man,etc.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jul 14 2.30pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Jul 2014 11.37pm
Realistically any solution will need to see the situation, economically, in the Palestine Authority improved to undermine the support and appeal provided by Hamas. Fatah itself is probably a spent force, that was largely held together by Arafat, and a generation of PLO leaders who were not 'Islamist' inspired. As it stands, neither side are actually interested in peace, as the 'continual' cycle of conflict suit their agendas, and neither side can actually win.
The day the Palestinians in Gaza voted in Hamas was the day they f*cked themselves up for a long time. I threw up my hands that day. Israel can deal with the extremist approcach far more easierly than any other.
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| ghosteagle 07 Jul 14 2.45pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Jul 2014 2.30pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Jul 2014 11.37pm
Realistically any solution will need to see the situation, economically, in the Palestine Authority improved to undermine the support and appeal provided by Hamas. Fatah itself is probably a spent force, that was largely held together by Arafat, and a generation of PLO leaders who were not 'Islamist' inspired. As it stands, neither side are actually interested in peace, as the 'continual' cycle of conflict suit their agendas, and neither side can actually win.
The day the Palestinians in Gaza voted in Hamas was the day they f*cked themselves up for a long time. I threw up my hands that day. I think the rise of Hamas in popularity among Palestinians is testament to the oppression that they have suffered at the hands of Israel. Israel has never had any intention of allowing a Palestinian state, and given the violence that they have inflicted upon a poor and impoverished people while stealing their land it can come as no surprise that the people have come to believe that their only hope lies in people also prepared to use violence. What would make a difference is if the international community would hold Israel to account for its actions.
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| matt_himself Matataland 07 Jul 14 4.32pm |
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Quote silvertop at 07 Jul 2014 11.55am
Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 10.26pm
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Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 10.04pm
Quote Bert the Head at 06 Jul 2014 9.56pm
Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 9.35pm
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Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 9.22pm
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Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 8.03pm
So this latest episode was started by the peace loving and gentle Palestinians kidnapping and murdering three Israeli teens which the perpetrators knew would draw a response from the IDF and the more militant parts of Israeli society. Quite how some people can defend these people is beyond me. Who is defending them? These people:
Keep trying to twist my words Gusset. One more thing, as you didn't know the difference between deficit and debt reduction, would you like some pointers on the history of the Israel/Palestine situation? "unprovoked" stealing people’s homes and massacring them and then continuing to build new settlements on stolen land would provoke a far less patience response from the US and Britain if it happened to them than we expect of the Palestinians. "unable to act in a civilised manner" running over people with bulldozers and burning a teenager alive hardly places Israel in a good light in terms of being all that civilized For all the talk of Palestinians denying the state of Israel - which is not true in any case - Israel doesn't accept a Palestinian state.
What did the three Israeli teens do to he Palestinians that warranted their kidnap and murder? The Palestinians provoked this latest situation. Make no mistake.
I would have thought those poor teenagers were murdered by a handful, don't you? You should be more mindful of what you write. It comes across as inflammatory and I know a reasonable chap like yourself would not like that to be the case, would you?
As for the second part, thank you for your condescending comments. However, isn't the point of a message to allow an exchange of thoughts? Or as they don't fit with your very narrow World view, they shouldn't be voiced at all? Is that what you are saying?
There are about 10 million Palestinians. About half live within Israel, mostly crammed into the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The other 5 million or so live in squalid settlement camps in neighbouring Arab countries, pretty much as second class citizens. Let us say that these are probably not places that most of them would like to live, many having been dispossessed of their homes by force by Israelis with many relatives being murdered in the process and within the lifetime of many. So, which of those Palestinians do you think deserve to be bombed? The ones who committed the atrocity or just a reasonable selection of them? Israel prides itself as being an island of democracy in an otherwise oppressive region and to a large extent that is true - in the way they treat their own people. The way they deal with [admittedly] terrorist acts from Palestinians is very much in keeping with the worst acts of their Arab neighbours. I see no distinction. It is simply insupportable. I genuinely do not follow you on this. I said that the Palestinians know who did this. I maintain they could find out within hours, such is the control they have over their people. It is a similar situation to Belfast in the seventies. The resistance groups run the place. They could root out the perpetrators and hand them over if they wanted. I maintain that he perpetrators knew what they were doing, which was to stoke up tensions. Then you go on to say who I want bombed. This is completely out of context with my post. I don't want any civilian population bombed and I haven't advocated this anywhere. I fail to understand your comment that this is the 'silliest post' on the subject. You have not countered my comments, you have created arguments of your own from nowhere. I am happy to debate this subject but your position needs to cogent, which I don't believe it is.
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| matt_himself Matataland 07 Jul 14 4.35pm |
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Quote ghosteagle at 07 Jul 2014 10.34am
Quote matt_himself at 07 Jul 2014 8.24am
The Israelis have arrested a number of suspects in relation to the horrific death of the Palestinian teenager: Now, will the Palestinians to do the right thing and identify the murderers of the Israeli teens? I was under the impression that Hamas had denied responsibility? Doing the right thing, in my opinion, is being the murderers to justice, meaning that the Palestinian Authority co-operates with the Israelis to do this. I have not blamed Hamas. I have blamed Palestinians for the deaths of the three teenagers.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| ghosteagle 07 Jul 14 4.57pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 07 Jul 2014 4.35pm
Quote ghosteagle at 07 Jul 2014 10.34am
Quote matt_himself at 07 Jul 2014 8.24am
The Israelis have arrested a number of suspects in relation to the horrific death of the Palestinian teenager: Now, will the Palestinians to do the right thing and identify the murderers of the Israeli teens? I was under the impression that Hamas had denied responsibility? Doing the right thing, in my opinion, is being the murderers to justice, meaning that the Palestinian Authority co-operates with the Israelis to do this. I have not blamed Hamas. I have blamed Palestinians for the deaths of the three teenagers. I accept that, if possible, the Palestininan Authority should try and aprehend the perpetrators but expecting them to work with the Israelis is short-sighted. Expecting them to work with the very same people who are bombing their homes and oppressing them is highly unlikely.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jul 14 5.13pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 07 Jul 2014 4.35pm
Quote ghosteagle at 07 Jul 2014 10.34am
Quote matt_himself at 07 Jul 2014 8.24am
The Israelis have arrested a number of suspects in relation to the horrific death of the Palestinian teenager: Now, will the Palestinians to do the right thing and identify the murderers of the Israeli teens? I was under the impression that Hamas had denied responsibility? Doing the right thing, in my opinion, is being the murderers to justice, meaning that the Palestinian Authority co-operates with the Israelis to do this. I have not blamed Hamas. I have blamed Palestinians for the deaths of the three teenagers. Marwan Kawasmeh and Amar Abu-Isa, are the two individuals that the ISA (Israeli Security Authority) claim were responsible. Both the ISA and PA agree that they went missing the night of the abduction, and are at large. The PA has foiled 43 kidknapping plans against Israeli's (mostly IDF) since 2013 and the ISA around 60. The ISA and PA work surprisingly closely to prevent kidknapping's. But the problem maybe that people see Hamas as a single group, rather than a series of interrelated factions and groups with a similar ideological basis. Suspicion has also fallen on Salifist group within the Al-Qassam Brigades that was exiled from Hamas (in Hebron) for extremism maybe responsible. In recent years both the Palestinian Authority and ISA have had problems with the Al-Qassam Brigades, particularly in the West Bank where Hamas has a much lower degree of influence. The Al-Qassam Brigades whilst a part of Hammas, operate independently of the Councils (Political Wing) and Welfare (Charitable wing).
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| matt_himself Matataland 07 Jul 14 5.35pm |
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Quote ghosteagle at 07 Jul 2014 4.57pm
Quote matt_himself at 07 Jul 2014 4.35pm
Quote ghosteagle at 07 Jul 2014 10.34am
Quote matt_himself at 07 Jul 2014 8.24am
The Israelis have arrested a number of suspects in relation to the horrific death of the Palestinian teenager: Now, will the Palestinians to do the right thing and identify the murderers of the Israeli teens? I was under the impression that Hamas had denied responsibility? Doing the right thing, in my opinion, is being the murderers to justice, meaning that the Palestinian Authority co-operates with the Israelis to do this. I have not blamed Hamas. I have blamed Palestinians for the deaths of the three teenagers. I accept that, if possible, the Palestininan Authority should try and aprehend the perpetrators but expecting them to work with the Israelis is short-sighted. Expecting them to work with the very same people who are bombing their homes and oppressing them is highly unlikely.
Should it be that Hamas was not responsible, it puts distance between the PA and the killers, plus it shows that the PA can act in a mature and dignified manner. It would also give the Israelis no grounds for carrying out attacks. It appears a win win. Why not do it if, as the PA has said, that it is not involved nor sanctioned the killings? Edited by matt_himself (07 Jul 2014 5.37pm)
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| matt_himself Matataland 07 Jul 14 5.39pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 07 Jul 2014 5.35pm
Quote ghosteagle at 07 Jul 2014 4.57pm
Quote matt_himself at 07 Jul 2014 4.35pm
Quote ghosteagle at 07 Jul 2014 10.34am
Quote matt_himself at 07 Jul 2014 8.24am
The Israelis have arrested a number of suspects in relation to the horrific death of the Palestinian teenager: Now, will the Palestinians to do the right thing and identify the murderers of the Israeli teens? I was under the impression that Hamas had denied responsibility? Doing the right thing, in my opinion, is being the murderers to justice, meaning that the Palestinian Authority co-operates with the Israelis to do this. I have not blamed Hamas. I have blamed Palestinians for the deaths of the three teenagers. I accept that, if possible, the Palestininan Authority should try and aprehend the perpetrators but expecting them to work with the Israelis is short-sighted. Expecting them to work with the very same people who are bombing their homes and oppressing them is highly unlikely.
Should it be that Hamas was not responsible, it puts distance between the PA, Hamas and the killers, plus it shows that the PA can act in a mature and dignified manner. It would also give the Israelis no grounds for carrying out attacks. It appears a win win. Why not do it if, as the PA has said, that it is not involved nor sanctioned the killings?
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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