So the Irish government gets to decide how we run this country?

No one wants to see a return to violence but neither do we want what you are proposing. We spent 30 plus years fighting terrorists who wished to make political decisions against the democratic majority.

Governments outside the UK don't get a vote on our politics.

This situation was caused by the Irish government who allowed the EU to use the border as a bargaining chip rather than telling the EU to back off. For the umpteenth time the EU has already said that in the event of a no deal Brexit there will not be a hard border and they will control it by electronic means which is what the ERG has previously proposed.

The Irish PM is interfering in internal UK party politics.

One more point

I cannot see the EU ever agreeing to a deal that does not include free movement. Do you agree that it is outrageous that it is far more difficult/expensive for a UK national to bring in a spouse than an EU national who has no/very little ties to the UK.

Not if we stay as full members, although how long the EU can maintain the principle of free movement has to be in doubt.

My hope is for a deal which gives us some degree of control over who enters whilst retaining as many of the free market benefits as possible. Which seems to me what is on offer. As I think the alleged benefits of us negotiating our own trade deals are a jam tomorrow myth being used as a smokescreen by the hard Brexiteers I hope that realism will prevail and some kind of notional "modifications" dressed up as a renegotiated deal will be agreed.

I can understand why, as members, we allow the free movement of every EU citizen without cost.

I can also understand why the UK government make it so bloody difficult and expensive for family members from outside the EU to enter. I don't think that it is aimed at new spouses of those who are British by birth. I think it is aimed at those who have achieved British citizenship, particularly from the Indian sub continent, who want to bring in often large families. Of course I would like to see it made easier and cheaper for people like you and me but as the law would not permit that, we have no choice than to accept it. I could fill a book with all the issues I have encountered, many of them totally ridiculous and overturned on appeal or in Court. It all takes time and a lot of effort. The Home Office still owe me £80 for a processing charge that was supposed to be returned after I won a case against them!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Have you done it? I have and I know just how difficult and damn expensive it is. How others have both managed and afforded it is another question entirely. I don't know but I wonder if there are "experts" in their communities helping them and community fund raising to help them afford it. To do it on your own is hugely demanding for someone born and raised here so how much more so for anyone relatively new. The English language tests demanded of the applicant are challenging too.

I suppose it depends who you talk to in Newham as to what answer you would get. If it was you I would know what to expect.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Way to miss the point.

Border checkpoints and checks etc could re-ignite violence.

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I think I will believe former heads of the Northern Irish Police Service and MI5, along with the Taoiseach, over you, Hrolf.

It is possible, just possible, multiple former heads of the Northern Irish Police Service and MI5, along with Leo Varadkar, know ever so slightly more about what this border may do to peace in Ireland, ahead of you, Hrolf.

Hard to believe I know, but I think they might know ever so slightly more about it than you do.

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