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 Maine Eagle  USA 14 Jun 19 2.46pm |
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Originally posted by dynamicdick
With regards to keeping ‘No Deal’ on the table,would you expect a trade union to enter negotiations without the threat of strike action? The problem is there are some tories just loopy enough to actually do it. That means it needs to be guarded against, regardless of the position it gives in negotiations. A worker's strike is a known quantity, a no deal crash out of the EU, overnight tearing up every single trade agreement and plunging Ireland into chaos is not exactly equatable to a strike.
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| dannyboy1978 14 Jun 19 3.03pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Maybe so, but we are where we are LEFTSFAULT You can either cry about it, do something about it or profit from it. VOTED LEAVE Another avenue is to work with it to get to a position where you have enough power to start to attempt to enforce change. VOTED LEAVE Or let your life become defined by it, ending in an entirely avoidable vortex of bitterness, resentment, isolation and regret.
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 becky over the moon 14 Jun 19 5.46pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
The problem is there are some tories just loopy enough to actually do it. That means it needs to be guarded against, regardless of the position it gives in negotiations. A worker's strike is a known quantity, a no deal crash out of the EU, overnight tearing up every single trade agreement and plunging Ireland into chaos is not exactly equatable to a strike. a)Only those with the EU - all the non-EU countries with whom we trade have said they are prepared to 'roll-over' any agreements with them made via the EU b) the EU has already done an about-face on this and agreed that it can all be done with a hard border via electronic means - which was what was suggested to them allalong and which the EU refused to accept.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jun 19 11.21pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Why have we bl00dy had it then? Some immigration, fine. Not changing the face of the country and ignoring the potential already here. Shameful on the people responsible. Because we haven't had it! It is controlled. You try getting a visa to come and live here and you will know just how hard and bloody expensive it is. By the time an overseas spouse has achieved British citizenship it will have cost the husband over £5000, days and days of form filling and a wait of 6 years. If you cannot prove you can support them without any access to public funds or the NHS then no chance. This idea that anyone can flock in is just wrong.
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Teddy Eagle  14 Jun 19 11.35pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Because we haven't had it! It is controlled. You try getting a visa to come and live here and you will know just how hard and bloody expensive it is. By the time an overseas spouse has achieved British citizenship it will have cost the husband over £5000, days and days of form filling and a wait of 6 years. If you cannot prove you can support them without any access to public funds or the NHS then no chance. This idea that anyone can flock in is just wrong. 3,500,000 people in London have risen to the challenge.
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| Spiderman Horsham 15 Jun 19 10.23am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Because we haven't had it! It is controlled. You try getting a visa to come and live here and you will know just how hard and bloody expensive it is. By the time an overseas spouse has achieved British citizenship it will have cost the husband over £5000, days and days of form filling and a wait of 6 years. If you cannot prove you can support them without any access to public funds or the NHS then no chance. This idea that anyone can flock in is just wrong. Wisbeach...we have had discussions before about this, with my experience of Immigration and Visa work. You are right for the NON-EU spouse of a UK Citizen, it is a laborious process and expensive. HOWEVER for the spouses of EU nationals, wishing to enter the UK it is not, there are no fees and only very cursory checks (they do not need to supply evidence of support and accommodation). Is this fair? Of course not, surely you must agree? EU nationals have no checks at the border regarding intentions etc, therefore there has been mass EU Immigration and they do flock in. Hence why leaving the EU is essential in my opinion to try to stop this.
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| Midlands Eagle 15 Jun 19 10.36am |
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The media is full of stories about Brits who have married foreigners who have subsequently been denied visas to come over and live in the UK but I can't find any stats about Brits who find love overseas and settle over there with their new partner
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 19 10.57am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
3,500,000 people in London have risen to the challenge. The claim was that it was uncontrolled. It isn't. There are controls. That over the years London in particular has become a very ethnically diverse city is a separate issue.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 19 11.09am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Wisbeach...we have had discussions before about this, with my experience of Immigration and Visa work. You are right for the NON-EU spouse of a UK Citizen, it is a laborious process and expensive. HOWEVER for the spouses of EU nationals, wishing to enter the UK it is not, there are no fees and only very cursory checks (they do not need to supply evidence of support and accommodation). Is this fair? Of course not, surely you must agree? EU nationals have no checks at the border regarding intentions etc, therefore there has been mass EU Immigration and they do flock in. Hence why leaving the EU is essential in my opinion to try to stop this. Free movement within the EU is obviously another matter. One that is at the heart of the Brexit debate for many people. I agree that it is something that whatever happens this is an issue that won't go away and new arrangements are essential. My own hope is that we retain some kind of associate membership, especially economically, but with movement of people subject to a degree of control and dependent on our need. That's why we need a deal.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 19 11.18am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
The media is full of stories about Brits who have married foreigners who have subsequently been denied visas to come over and live in the UK but I can't find any stats about Brits who find love overseas and settle over there with their new partner I am not aware of the stats but it does happen. It of course depends on the circumstances. I had a friend who met, married and settled in Japan. Another met an American and settled there. For a while I and my own "overseas" wife split our time between the UK and her home country. We owned a house in both and rented out whichever we weren't using. There were no immigration restrictions at all to me living there. I was automatically given a year long visa as the husband.
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| Maine Eagle USA 15 Jun 19 5.56pm |
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No deal is a guarantee of violence in Ireland. Is that a price worth paying for your precious Brexit?
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| Midlands Eagle 15 Jun 19 6.28pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
No deal is a guarantee of violence in Ireland. I read your link twice and nowhere does it say that at all
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