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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Feb 15 8.33pm
Quote imbored at 21 Feb 2015 2.18pm Quote legaleagle at 21 Feb 2015 1.28pm I went to a funeral last week and got talking to a friend of a friend I only run into briefly perhaps every 5 years or so.A university educated middle class person.I knew nothing about their politics. They said they were going to vote UKIP in May because they were fed up with feeling they could not talk about "brown people" any more. It would be nonsense to say one person's views represent UKIP voters generally or even the view of many voters,since it was just the view of that one person. But, it was the reason given to me by one person for their voting intention this time and so plainly,for whatever reason,that's why the party appealed to them personally as opposed to the other parties. I don't even know why people fight this reality. It's abundantly clear that not insignificant numbers of people vote for UKIP based on a perceived erosion of their identity, whether that's national, racial, difference in general. Some are open about it like this guy, others obfuscate behind talk of being on the tube and "not knowing what country they're in". There is a reason that UKIP isn't going to be a particularly popular choice with, for instance, black British voters in the coming election. This isn't imagined. At the same time, obviously the party isn't the BNP, though it's partially inherited that voter base, Nick Griffin included. Plenty voting for UKIP have no problem with people of other races or ethnicities. If you want out of the EU, it's the only show in town. Many people have mixed motivations though, as is true of voters of any party. Nigel Farage is a very competent and relatable political figure there's no doubt about that. In a time where there is a distrust in established parties he connects in a way that Cameron, Milliband and Clegg cannot... but then so does Russell Brand, so the value of this connection is debatable. Edited by imbored (21 Feb 2015 2.19pm) Perceived is the magic word. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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I went to a funeral last week and got talking to a friend of a friend I only run into briefly perhaps every 5 years or so.A university educated middle class person.I knew nothing about their politics. They said they were going to vote UKIP in May because they were fed up with feeling they could not talk about "brown people" any more.

It would be nonsense to say one person's views represent UKIP voters generally or even the view of many voters,since it was just the view of that one person. But, it was the reason given to me by one person for their voting intention this time and so plainly,for whatever reason,that's why the party appealed to them personally as opposed to the other parties.

I don't even know why people fight this reality. It's abundantly clear that not insignificant numbers of people vote for UKIP based on a perceived erosion of their identity, whether that's national, racial, difference in general. Some are open about it like this guy, others obfuscate behind talk of being on the tube and "not knowing what country they're in". There is a reason that UKIP isn't going to be a particularly popular choice with, for instance, black British voters in the coming election. This isn't imagined.

At the same time, obviously the party isn't the BNP, though it's partially inherited that voter base, Nick Griffin included. Plenty voting for UKIP have no problem with people of other races or ethnicities. If you want out of the EU, it's the only show in town. Many people have mixed motivations though, as is true of voters of any party. Nigel Farage is a very competent and relatable political figure there's no doubt about that. In a time where there is a distrust in established parties he connects in a way that Cameron, Milliband and Clegg cannot... but then so does Russell Brand, so the value of this connection is debatable.

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Feb 2015 8.33pm Perceived is the magic word. Your perception of perception is a perception itself. That route has no point. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Perceived is the magic word.

Your perception of perception is a perception itself.

That route has no point.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Feb 15 8.39pm
Quote matt_himself at 21 Feb 2015 7.39pm 1. Under Labour, Britain embarked upon the social engineering project that is multiculturalism. Labour wanted it, Labour pursued it and Labour defend it. It is flawed. Indiginous communities resent having new communities thrust upon them, the immigrant communities feel marginalised, hated and stick to their own. Question this, and you are racist; Not true, the term multiculturalism just became popular, successive governments have been focused on the idea of social engineering and cultural intergration since 1945, when after the war, actual multicultural engineering programs were introduced for 'refuges' created from the war. The idea that Labour somehow invented social engineering or multiculturalism is abusrd. All society is multicultural rather than monocultural, consisting of any number of different, disparate and allied cultural ideas shared and rejected. The rise of the term Multicultural has largely been by groups that don't want to be seen as racist, and instead have attacked the idea of 'multiculturalism' as a means of presenting a 'white British, primarily English, Cultural superiority' - a nonsense in its own right, as such a thing is itself indefinable. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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1. Under Labour, Britain embarked upon the social engineering project that is multiculturalism. Labour wanted it, Labour pursued it and Labour defend it. It is flawed. Indiginous communities resent having new communities thrust upon them, the immigrant communities feel marginalised, hated and stick to their own. Question this, and you are racist;

Not true, the term multiculturalism just became popular, successive governments have been focused on the idea of social engineering and cultural intergration since 1945, when after the war, actual multicultural engineering programs were introduced for 'refuges' created from the war.

The idea that Labour somehow invented social engineering or multiculturalism is abusrd.

All society is multicultural rather than monocultural, consisting of any number of different, disparate and allied cultural ideas shared and rejected.

The rise of the term Multicultural has largely been by groups that don't want to be seen as racist, and instead have attacked the idea of 'multiculturalism' as a means of presenting a 'white British, primarily English, Cultural superiority' - a nonsense in its own right, as such a thing is itself indefinable.

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Feb 2015 8.39pm Quote matt_himself at 21 Feb 2015 7.39pm 1. Under Labour, Britain embarked upon the social engineering project that is multiculturalism. Labour wanted it, Labour pursued it and Labour defend it. It is flawed. Indiginous communities resent having new communities thrust upon them, the immigrant communities feel marginalised, hated and stick to their own. Question this, and you are racist; Not true, the term multiculturalism just became popular, successive governments have been focused on the idea of social engineering and cultural intergration since 1945, when after the war, actual multicultural engineering programs were introduced for 'refuges' created from the war. The idea that Labour somehow invented social engineering or multiculturalism is abusrd. All society is multicultural rather than monocultural, consisting of any number of different, disparate and allied cultural ideas shared and rejected. The rise of the term Multicultural has largely been by groups that don't want to be seen as racist, and instead have attacked the idea of 'multiculturalism' as a means of presenting a 'white British, primarily English, Cultural superiority' - a nonsense in its own right, as such a thing is itself indefinable. No one said Labour invented multiculturalism. But I think it's a fair charge to say their policies over most of the last thirty years haven't only encouraged it but implemented it in terms of allowing vast numbers of multiple cultures to live indefinitely here. It's a rather basic perception of the argument to say that people who are against multiculturalism don't accept the reality that many cultures do indeed exist here....They filter through class, region as well as allegiance to country. So it's a bit harsh to treat the as a literal word when it in fact deals with cultural identify of towns and indeed regions......This country has always accepted foreigners but it's the affect the number of them have that matters....It's about how the culture of where you live is affected and how you feel about that. Putting the word, 'white' in there is disappointing...It might be true for a minority but I think as a general description that's a caricature....A perception ...Frank Bruno is English and a Tory....I couldn't give a feck about your skin pigment...This country has many brilliant people representing it of all skin shades.....UKIP gets votes from all and sundry and it should because this isn't about skin colour but about plenty of factors from the EU to the amount of immigration. As for the movement being ethnocentric and not egalitarian...I love my perception of Englishness..Most definitely (though I have a problem with your description of superiority...which sounds aggressive). I most definitely want to live within my own culture and norms....I'm happy for other cultures to enjoy their own as well. But unless they are working here temporarily (in reasonable numbers) or on holiday I'd prefer it if they enjoyed it in their own....often wonderful countries. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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The idea that Labour somehow invented social engineering or multiculturalism is abusrd.

All society is multicultural rather than monocultural, consisting of any number of different, disparate and allied cultural ideas shared and rejected.

No one said Labour invented multiculturalism. But I think it's a fair charge to say their policies over most of the last thirty years haven't only encouraged it but implemented it in terms of allowing vast numbers of multiple cultures to live indefinitely here.

It's a rather basic perception of the argument to say that people who are against multiculturalism don't accept the reality that many cultures do indeed exist here....They filter through class, region as well as allegiance to country.

So it's a bit harsh to treat the as a literal word when it in fact deals with cultural identify of towns and indeed regions......This country has always accepted foreigners but it's the affect the number of them have that matters....It's about how the culture of where you live is affected and how you feel about that.

Putting the word, 'white' in there is disappointing...It might be true for a minority but I think as a general description that's a caricature....A perception ...Frank Bruno is English and a Tory....I couldn't give a feck about your skin pigment...This country has many brilliant people representing it of all skin shades.....UKIP gets votes from all and sundry and it should because this isn't about skin colour but about plenty of factors from the EU to the amount of immigration.

As for the movement being ethnocentric and not egalitarian...I love my perception of Englishness..Most definitely (though I have a problem with your description of superiority...which sounds aggressive). I most definitely want to live within my own culture and norms....I'm happy for other cultures to enjoy their own as well. But unless they are working here temporarily (in reasonable numbers) or on holiday I'd prefer it if they enjoyed it in their own....often wonderful countries.

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legaleagle 21 Feb 15 10.17pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Feb 2015 9.05pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Feb 2015 8.39pm Quote matt_himself at 21 Feb 2015 7.39pm 1. Under Labour, Britain embarked upon the social engineering project that is multiculturalism. Labour wanted it, Labour pursued it and Labour defend it. It is flawed. Indiginous communities resent having new communities thrust upon them, the immigrant communities feel marginalised, hated and stick to their own. Question this, and you are racist; Not true, the term multiculturalism just became popular, successive governments have been focused on the idea of social engineering and cultural intergration since 1945, when after the war, actual multicultural engineering programs were introduced for 'refuges' created from the war. The idea that Labour somehow invented social engineering or multiculturalism is abusrd. All society is multicultural rather than monocultural, consisting of any number of different, disparate and allied cultural ideas shared and rejected. The rise of the term Multicultural has largely been by groups that don't want to be seen as racist, and instead have attacked the idea of 'multiculturalism' as a means of presenting a 'white British, primarily English, Cultural superiority' - a nonsense in its own right, as such a thing is itself indefinable. I most definitely want to live within my own culture and norms....I'm happy for other cultures to enjoy their own as well. But unless they are working here temporarily (in reasonable numbers) or on holiday I'd prefer it if they enjoyed it in their own....often wonderful countries. That's not that dissimilar to what many people opposed to immigration were saying from the late 50's to the mid 70's.Do you think that wave of immigration has enrichened this country and its culture/s in any ways? Edited by legaleagle (21 Feb 2015 10.20pm)
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The idea that Labour somehow invented social engineering or multiculturalism is abusrd.

All society is multicultural rather than monocultural, consisting of any number of different, disparate and allied cultural ideas shared and rejected.

I most definitely want to live within my own culture and norms....I'm happy for other cultures to enjoy their own as well. But unless they are working here temporarily (in reasonable numbers) or on holiday I'd prefer it if they enjoyed it in their own....often wonderful countries.

That's not that dissimilar to what many people opposed to immigration were saying from the late 50's to the mid 70's.Do you think that wave of immigration has enrichened this country and its culture/s in any ways?

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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Feb 15 10.25pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Feb 2015 8.37pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Feb 2015 8.33pm Perceived is the magic word. Your perception of perception is a perception itself. That route has no point. Perception occurs post experience. When people talk in terms of 'a loss of identity' its their perception that their identity is diminished somehow. Of course this is erroneous in any sense of identity. However, self identity can only be diminished by the self, it can't be eroded by others. When people talk about a loss of national identity, they're mistakenly assuming that their national identity is anything other than a set of self beliefs. What they're really experiencing is a loss of contentment, security and happiness in society - arguably due to socio-economic decline, which they have attempted to address through greater expression of national identity. This is a very common occurance during economic decline, to see an increase in such things as 'nationalist blame' culture (as opposed to positive nationalism). Historically, most countries experience a rise in 'nationalism' of this kind whenever they experience economic decline and hardship. I don't necessarily think all forms of Nationalism fit into this category. Discussions with you have expanded my view of nationalism to a broader understanding of its discourses. However, in times of economic pressures a rise in 'faux nationalism' is common place. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Perceived is the magic word.

Your perception of perception is a perception itself.

That route has no point.

Perception occurs post experience. When people talk in terms of 'a loss of identity' its their perception that their identity is diminished somehow. Of course this is erroneous in any sense of identity.

However, self identity can only be diminished by the self, it can't be eroded by others. When people talk about a loss of national identity, they're mistakenly assuming that their national identity is anything other than a set of self beliefs.

What they're really experiencing is a loss of contentment, security and happiness in society - arguably due to socio-economic decline, which they have attempted to address through greater expression of national identity.

This is a very common occurance during economic decline, to see an increase in such things as 'nationalist blame' culture (as opposed to positive nationalism). Historically, most countries experience a rise in 'nationalism' of this kind whenever they experience economic decline and hardship.

I don't necessarily think all forms of Nationalism fit into this category. Discussions with you have expanded my view of nationalism to a broader understanding of its discourses. However, in times of economic pressures a rise in 'faux nationalism' is common place.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Feb 15 10.29pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Feb 2015 9.05pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Feb 2015 8.39pm Quote matt_himself at 21 Feb 2015 7.39pm 1. Under Labour, Britain embarked upon the social engineering project that is multiculturalism. Labour wanted it, Labour pursued it and Labour defend it. It is flawed. Indiginous communities resent having new communities thrust upon them, the immigrant communities feel marginalised, hated and stick to their own. Question this, and you are racist; Not true, the term multiculturalism just became popular, successive governments have been focused on the idea of social engineering and cultural intergration since 1945, when after the war, actual multicultural engineering programs were introduced for 'refuges' created from the war. The idea that Labour somehow invented social engineering or multiculturalism is abusrd. All society is multicultural rather than monocultural, consisting of any number of different, disparate and allied cultural ideas shared and rejected. The rise of the term Multicultural has largely been by groups that don't want to be seen as racist, and instead have attacked the idea of 'multiculturalism' as a means of presenting a 'white British, primarily English, Cultural superiority' - a nonsense in its own right, as such a thing is itself indefinable. I most definitely want to live within my own culture and norms....I'm happy for other cultures to enjoy their own as well. But unless they are working here temporarily (in reasonable numbers) or on holiday I'd prefer it if they enjoyed it in their own....often wonderful countries. I expect however my cultural existence and values are quite different to your own, as many british peoples will vary from person to person, and by race and ethnicity. Cultural traits are not specific to different nationalities and ethnicities, they cross over and are shared, especially over time. Even Neo-Nazis will enjoy a kebab on their way home from drinking some European Lager, in a bar staffed by foreign nationals and so on. We focus only on multiculturalism when talking about failures. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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The idea that Labour somehow invented social engineering or multiculturalism is abusrd.

All society is multicultural rather than monocultural, consisting of any number of different, disparate and allied cultural ideas shared and rejected.

I expect however my cultural existence and values are quite different to your own, as many british peoples will vary from person to person, and by race and ethnicity.

Cultural traits are not specific to different nationalities and ethnicities, they cross over and are shared, especially over time. Even Neo-Nazis will enjoy a kebab on their way home from drinking some European Lager, in a bar staffed by foreign nationals and so on.

We focus only on multiculturalism when talking about failures.

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Quote legaleagle at 21 Feb 2015 10.17pm Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Feb 2015 9.05pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Feb 2015 8.39pm Quote matt_himself at 21 Feb 2015 7.39pm 1. Under Labour, Britain embarked upon the social engineering project that is multiculturalism. Labour wanted it, Labour pursued it and Labour defend it. It is flawed. Indiginous communities resent having new communities thrust upon them, the immigrant communities feel marginalised, hated and stick to their own. Question this, and you are racist; Not true, the term multiculturalism just became popular, successive governments have been focused on the idea of social engineering and cultural intergration since 1945, when after the war, actual multicultural engineering programs were introduced for 'refuges' created from the war. The idea that Labour somehow invented social engineering or multiculturalism is abusrd. All society is multicultural rather than monocultural, consisting of any number of different, disparate and allied cultural ideas shared and rejected. The rise of the term Multicultural has largely been by groups that don't want to be seen as racist, and instead have attacked the idea of 'multiculturalism' as a means of presenting a 'white British, primarily English, Cultural superiority' - a nonsense in its own right, as such a thing is itself indefinable. I most definitely want to live within my own culture and norms....I'm happy for other cultures to enjoy their own as well. But unless they are working here temporarily (in reasonable numbers) or on holiday I'd prefer it if they enjoyed it in their own....often wonderful countries. That's not that dissimilar to what many people opposed to immigration were saying from the late 50's to the mid 70's.Do you think that wave of immigration has enrichened this country and its culture/s in any ways? Edited by legaleagle (21 Feb 2015 10.20pm) I think in general it depends on the ethnic group it self. I am (probably) alone in being one of the few people on this site who lives in a neighbourhood which is 99% non white. In fact the only white people you tend to see are the teacher's at the two schools a few blocks away from me, however back to what I originally was going to say. From my experience the ethnic minorities LEAST likely to assimilate are the sizable Bangladeshi community & people from The Yemen,( and yes they are Muslim) absolutely NO effort what so ever or dare I say any interest too be part of the country they have moved to. On the other hand peoples from The Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico,& British Guyana amongst others seem willing to do so. Pro USA & Israel
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The idea that Labour somehow invented social engineering or multiculturalism is abusrd.

All society is multicultural rather than monocultural, consisting of any number of different, disparate and allied cultural ideas shared and rejected.

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I think in general it depends on the ethnic group it self. I am (probably) alone in being one of the few people on this site who lives in a neighbourhood which is 99% non white. In fact the only white people you tend to see are the teacher's at the two schools a few blocks away from me, however back to what I originally was going to say. From my experience the ethnic minorities LEAST likely to assimilate are the sizable Bangladeshi community & people from The Yemen,( and yes they are Muslim) absolutely NO effort what so ever or dare I say any interest too be part of the country they have moved to. On the other hand peoples from The Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico,& British Guyana amongst others seem willing to do so.

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imbored UK 21 Feb 15 10.33pm
In all seriousness, Farage must get sick to death of apologising for the racists that are ejected from the party: [Link] It's clearly a demographic he could do without, but at the same time he no doubt recognises that it's part of the 'light and shade' of the party. To put it another way, it's hard to completely separate an aversion to all things 'foreign' to an aspect, physical or otherwise, that makes up a minority of the existing population. UKIP are all about the core vote. Edited by imbored (21 Feb 2015 10.35pm)
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In all seriousness, Farage must get sick to death of apologising for the racists that are ejected from the party: [Link] It's clearly a demographic he could do without, but at the same time he no doubt recognises that it's part of the 'light and shade' of the party. To put it another way, it's hard to completely separate an aversion to all things 'foreign' to an aspect, physical or otherwise, that makes up a minority of the existing population. UKIP are all about the core vote.

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Quote imbored at 21 Feb 2015 10.33pm In all seriousness, Farage must get sick to death of apologising for the racists that are ejected from the party: [Link] It's clearly a demographic he could do without, but at the same time he no doubt recognises that it's part of the 'light and shade' of the party. To put it another way, it's hard to completely separate an aversion to all things 'foreign' to an aspect, physical or otherwise, that makes up a minority of the existing population. UKIP are all about the core vote. Edited by imbored (21 Feb 2015 10.35pm) I think that's accurate.....The anti open door policy...free movement and all that jazz, it is always going to attract those whose feelings unfortunately go further....It's a problem....I suppose socialists use to be miffed about being called communists. Being connected to the extremes or ugly side of an argument is always a problem if the core issue is controversial at all. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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I think that's accurate.....The anti open door policy...free movement and all that jazz, it is always going to attract those whose feelings unfortunately go further....It's a problem....I suppose socialists use to be miffed about being called communists.

Being connected to the extremes or ugly side of an argument is always a problem if the core issue is controversial at all.

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Feb 2015 10.29pm I expect however my cultural existence and values are quite different to your own, as many british peoples will vary from person to person, and by race and ethnicity. Cultural traits are not specific to different nationalities and ethnicities, they cross over and are shared, especially over time. Even Neo-Nazis will enjoy a kebab on their way home from drinking some European Lager, in a bar staffed by foreign nationals and so on. We focus only on multiculturalism when talking about failures. This is very true, traits and cultural 'riffs' exist amongst cultures.....In some cultures, especially related ones those riffs are closer than others....But nevertheless the point rings true to me. Still, the fact that the Australian, Irish, Indian or German culture are in some ways similar to my own doesn't mean the English culture is the same or indeed that concepts, for example, such as fair play or whatever are what defines a culture....They don't... many English people aren't fair and are arseholes. However there is a shared history and language...The opening presentation of the Olympics illustrated some of it......However, in my view, the most important....In fact vital aspect to the whole ethnocentric principle....An allegiance to your country. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Feb 2015 8.31am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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I expect however my cultural existence and values are quite different to your own, as many british peoples will vary from person to person, and by race and ethnicity.

We focus only on multiculturalism when talking about failures.

This is very true, traits and cultural 'riffs' exist amongst cultures.....In some cultures, especially related ones those riffs are closer than others....But nevertheless the point rings true to me.

Still, the fact that the Australian, Irish, Indian or German culture are in some ways similar to my own doesn't mean the English culture is the same or indeed that concepts, for example, such as fair play or whatever are what defines a culture....They don't... many English people aren't fair and are arseholes.

However there is a shared history and language...The opening presentation of the Olympics illustrated some of it......However, in my view, the most important....In fact vital aspect to the whole ethnocentric principle....An allegiance to your country.

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Stirlingsays 21 Feb 15 11.08pm
Quote Jimenez at 21 Feb 2015 10.30pm I think in general it depends on the ethnic group it self. I am (probably) alone in being one of the few people on this site who lives in a neighbourhood which is 99% non white. In fact the only white people you tend to see are the teacher's at the two schools a few blocks away from me, however back to what I originally was going to say. From my experience the ethnic minorities LEAST likely to assimilate are the sizable Bangladeshi community & people from The Yemen,( and yes they are Muslim) absolutely NO effort what so ever or dare I say any interest too be part of the country they have moved to. On the other hand peoples from The Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico,& British Guyana amongst others seem willing to do so. Not all of them as I've known an integrated Bangladeshi family in the past but I think there is a core of truth about attitudes in some cultures. Coming from a different culture and language is one thing....I think when that's combined with a different religion as well....For some that's too much of a stretch for them. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Feb 2015 11.09pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Not all of them as I've known an integrated Bangladeshi family in the past but I think there is a core of truth about attitudes in some cultures.

Coming from a different culture and language is one thing....I think when that's combined with a different religion as well....For some that's too much of a stretch for them.

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