The destruction of the car industry is mainly being caused because there is just too much capacity worldwide coupled with confusion caused by the Government over diesel and their withdrawal of the grants for plug in hybrids.

There was rubbish being spouted by a Labour MP on The Daily Politics today about Ford's Bridgend engine plant being caused by Brexit confusion until Andrew Neil pointed out that it was being shut in September 2020 because they had lost the contract to build engines for Jaguar Land Rover which would cease at that time

As I said, Midlands Eagle, I am not saying this will happen per se.

I was asking Hrolf, who used the term "no matter what" does he really believe that, or is there a cost that might be too high.

2 replies to that so far and nobody is actually answering the question, which might tell the story.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

3 replies down.

No one capable of answering a straight question. Reminds me of listening to James O'Brien's callers.

Its as hypothetical as any question ever which is asked about future events, such as "what do you want for dinner tonight?"

Its as impossible to answer except in hindsight as "shall we go to the beach today if it might rain?"

Its as subjective as asking "do you like mushrooms?"

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

My American boss once made the comparison between the EU and the US (before the civil war). As his state was on the losing side he wasn't very positive about the EU. And there are some similarities:

1. People in the south believed they had been mislead into what the Union stood for.
Yup I recognise this one.
2. The union was dominated by a clique of Northern industrial states who did not take into account the values and culture of the South.
In the EU that's Germany and France and their friends.
3. Washington was seen as remote, centralising and interfering in the lives of the states, trying to grab more power.
Brussels
4. The Southern states asserted their right to self determination and to leave the union. The Union states resisted all attempts at this up to and including civil war.
It's incredible how a group of states 100 years before had agreed to a union and then would not allow anyone to leave. Maybe this is the one lesson that the EU learned from at least there is a process even if it is hampered at every turn.

They say history is written by the victors. Most people will say the civil war was about freeing the slaves. That was true on the winning side up to a point but even Lincoln said if keeping the Union meant accepting slavery he would. It was only after the war started that Lincoln decided he had nothing to lose in abolishing slavery.

On the losing side the war was always about self determination and most of the people who fought it didn't own slaves (because they were too poor) and many were against slavery anyway.

My boss predicted a civil war in the EU some day I don't think it will come to that but if Germany becomes too powerful I can see the EU splitting.

One more point

And you haven't answered my question?

You cannot guarantee that if we stay in the EU everything will be fine or that when we leave it will be armageddon. Neither can I say the reverse to you.

I did not vote yes about economics but about self determination.

50 years from now you may have the pleasure of wearing your "I told you so" T shirt but until then I will stick with my side.

One more point

Congrats to Stirlingsays, who shows he is capable of answering a straight question.

If some are to be believed it will indeed ruin the country.

If others are to be believed it will lead to prosperity and success unparalleled in modern times.

Time will tell.

My gut feeling is being confirmed by things like this:

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There will never be a no deal exit.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.