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Aray Flag South London 05 Jun 19 8.43am Send a Private Message to Aray Add Aray as a friend

Once we leave we have a lovely trade deal coming from the Yanks! Yay.

This web page is from the US Govt Office of the US Trade Representative includes a public hearing on the objectives

[Link]

Link to panel discussion: [Link]

Page 268 of the PDF of the panel discussion includes the statements copied below from the Brian Toohey, the representative of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturing association of America.

He is saying that what the US pharmaceutical industry wants is for full access to US drugs and for the UK Health Service to pay more for them as they are depressing prices through their purchasing power and aren't paying a premium for "innovation" which they should be for a US UK trade agreement.

I can hardly wait.

"...First, negotiations should build on common ground to ensure transparency and due process for approving, pricing, and reimbursing pharmaceuticals. In the U.K., the government is a primary payer for medicines and, in effect, dictates prices. This dominant position often results in the U.K. failing to appropriately recognize the value of innovation in its pricing reimbursement systems, and, instead, engage in actions that distort markets and artificially depress prices. With these concerns in mind, PhRMA welcomes the administration's continued focus on the problem of advanced economies undervaluing innovative medicines. These provide an important opportunity, consistent with TPA, to ensure government regulatory reimbursement regimes are transparent, non discriminatory, and provide procedural fairness and full market access for U.S. products, which includes the setting of reimbursement amount on competitive market-derived pricing, or an equivalent process, such as one that appropriately recognized the value of an innovative product...."


 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 05 Jun 19 9.03am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Aray

Once we leave we have a lovely trade deal coming from the Yanks! Yay.

This web page is from the US Govt Office of the US Trade Representative includes a public hearing on the objectives

[Link]

Link to panel discussion: [Link]

Page 268 of the PDF of the panel discussion includes the statements copied below from the Brian Toohey, the representative of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturing association of America.

He is saying that what the US pharmaceutical industry wants is for full access to US drugs and for the UK Health Service to pay more for them as they are depressing prices through their purchasing power and aren't paying a premium for "innovation" which they should be for a US UK trade agreement.

I can hardly wait.

"...First, negotiations should build on common ground to ensure transparency and due process for approving, pricing, and reimbursing pharmaceuticals. In the U.K., the government is a primary payer for medicines and, in effect, dictates prices. This dominant position often results in the U.K. failing to appropriately recognize the value of innovation in its pricing reimbursement systems, and, instead, engage in actions that distort markets and artificially depress prices. With these concerns in mind, PhRMA welcomes the administration's continued focus on the problem of advanced economies undervaluing innovative medicines. These provide an important opportunity, consistent with TPA, to ensure government regulatory reimbursement regimes are transparent, non discriminatory, and provide procedural fairness and full market access for U.S. products, which includes the setting of reimbursement amount on competitive market-derived pricing, or an equivalent process, such as one that appropriately recognized the value of an innovative product...."


It's their negotiating position or wish list. We don't have to sign a trade deal if it is bad.

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 05 Jun 19 9.30am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

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Oh and the majority of people were happier in the 50s, women especially.......Too much Social liberalism has quite literally fecked people in the arse.


Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jun 2019 2.26pm)

Really? But everything was in black and white. Got a link?

 

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dannyboy1978 Flag 05 Jun 19 9.33am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by Aray

Once we leave we have a lovely trade deal coming from the Yanks! Yay.

This web page is from the US Govt Office of the US Trade Representative includes a public hearing on the objectives

[Link]

Link to panel discussion: [Link]

Page 268 of the PDF of the panel discussion includes the statements copied below from the Brian Toohey, the representative of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturing association of America.

He is saying that what the US pharmaceutical industry wants is for full access to US drugs and for the UK Health Service to pay more for them as they are depressing prices through their purchasing power and aren't paying a premium for "innovation" which they should be for a US UK trade agreement.

I can hardly wait.

"...First, negotiations should build on common ground to ensure transparency and due process for approving, pricing, and reimbursing pharmaceuticals. In the U.K., the government is a primary payer for medicines and, in effect, dictates prices. This dominant position often results in the U.K. failing to appropriately recognize the value of innovation in its pricing reimbursement systems, and, instead, engage in actions that distort markets and artificially depress prices. With these concerns in mind, PhRMA welcomes the administration's continued focus on the problem of advanced economies undervaluing innovative medicines. These provide an important opportunity, consistent with TPA, to ensure government regulatory reimbursement regimes are transparent, non discriminatory, and provide procedural fairness and full market access for U.S. products, which includes the setting of reimbursement amount on competitive market-derived pricing, or an equivalent process, such as one that appropriately recognized the value of an innovative product...."


So why arnt the left out protesting now.
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Mapletree Flag Croydon 05 Jun 19 9.38am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

It's their negotiating position or wish list. We don't have to sign a trade deal if it is bad.

We are being backed into a corner. We will be desperate for markets post Brexit. My old employer very clearly intended and intends to subsume the most lucrative elements of the NHS.

In addition there is no doubt we will be forced to accept US meat. A race to the bottom. Americans always believe the American way is best and the sooner we simply accept that and become one of its States the better. Ot maybe four of its States.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Jun 19 9.40am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Really? But everything was in black and white. Got a link?

I provided one originally and the research on the long term declining happiness levels of women is out there.

The more feminism and social liberalism has been pushed the less happy the majority of women have become. The real breakthroughs and improvements within society have been technological.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jun 2019 9.40am)

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Jun 19 9.52am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Reminds me of one of Micky Flanagan’s first 2 stand up DVD’s (his 3rd was just gratuitous swearing).

‘My wife was sat with me one night and said ‘I don’t like my job anymore. Shall we have a baby?’’ Ha Ha.

 


COYP

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Midlands Eagle Flag 05 Jun 19 10.06am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978


So why arnt the left out protesting now.

It seems that the left only protest when it isn't raining

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 05 Jun 19 10.20am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree


In addition there is no doubt we will be forced to accept US meat. A race to the bottom.

There are a number of articles available about American farming methods but they all seem to be written by vested interests so it's difficult to know what's true and what isn't.

EU and UK studies quote a high level of bacteria in a significant proportion of American chickens but fail to mention that high levels of bacteria have also been found in British chickens removed from supermarket shelves and tested.

In the final analysis if the purchase of American meat forms part of our trade deal the supermarkets and processed food manufacturers don't actually have to buy it and even if they do the consumers can always leave it on the supermarket shelves

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Jun 19 10.38am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

And you sir, are too thick to understand the following:

Parliament will not sanction a no deal exit on their own
No one wants another extension, not least the EU

Therefore there is only one way out of this, another vote. If you really want to crash out of the EU overnight, it would have to be voted on because parliament are not going to do that.


'Crash out' again. Well done. More points.

You can have your referendum on how we leave but there can be no remain option.


 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 05 Jun 19 11.31am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

There are a number of articles available about American farming methods but they all seem to be written by vested interests so it's difficult to know what's true and what isn't.

EU and UK studies quote a high level of bacteria in a significant proportion of American chickens but fail to mention that high levels of bacteria have also been found in British chickens removed from supermarket shelves and tested.

In the final analysis if the purchase of American meat forms part of our trade deal the supermarkets and processed food manufacturers don't actually have to buy it and even if they do the consumers can always leave it on the supermarket shelves

I have given you the facts on this before

Look at the types of bacteria and the numbers of serious infections. This is a black and white issue

In addition, farming methods are miles better in the UK and EU than in the US

US topsoil degradation is far more advanced than in the UK. Reliability of supply will fast become a problem once we emasculate our indigenous industry.

But hey, what do I know?

 

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cpfc_chap Flag koh samui 05 Jun 19 11.57am Send a Private Message to cpfc_chap Add cpfc_chap as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

We are being backed into a corner. We will be desperate for markets post Brexit. My old employer very clearly intended and intends to subsume the most lucrative elements of the NHS.

In addition there is no doubt we will be forced to accept US meat. A race to the bottom. Americans always believe the American way is best and the sooner we simply accept that and become one of its States the better. Ot maybe four of its States.

Do you know our drinking water is chlorinated just like our salads.

When was the last time the U.S had foot and mouth, MAD cow disease or any other major issues with there meats?

However I dare say you'd be able to choose what meat you put in your trolley!

 

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