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 Mapletree  Croydon 25 Feb 23 10.57am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Remainers are like spoilt children who can't get their own way. Your endless excuses about losing a democratic referendum are increasingly embarrassing. Brexiteers are like spoiled children. Got their own way through wailing and wailing even though the grown ups knew it was a bad idea. Now when there is every evidence it was a massive mistake they continue to wail and say it’s not their fault. Time to grow a pair, face the truth, recognise facts instead of the stamping of feet and try to find a route back to sense.
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Teddy Eagle  25 Feb 23 11.09am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Brexiteers are like spoiled children. Got their own way through wailing and wailing even though the grown ups knew it was a bad idea. Now when there is every evidence it was a massive mistake they continue to wail and say it’s not their fault. Time to grow a pair, face the truth, recognise facts instead of the stamping of feet and try to find a route back to sense. Maybe this time the grown ups will put a better case rather than depending on their innate superiority and the fact that the great unwashed will do as expected.
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| footythoughts Beckenham 25 Feb 23 12.22pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Remainers are like spoilt children who can't get their own way. Your endless excuses about losing a democratic referendum are increasingly embarrassing. Most of the country are likely remainers at this point, so that's worth considering when making these takes. Really though, I agree that once out it's important to make the best of that opportunity. There was a very good argument about controlling our borders and trade deals rather than outsourcing them to a wider union. On the flipside there is a certain convenience and uniformity to being part of a union of nations also. We appear to have opted for the worst of both worlds with our government ramping up non EU immigration and making little progress on the trade front. I say give it a good ten years more to see if this government or the next one or two have found their feet in any way, shape or form on this front and carved out a meaningful path, and if they haven't, throw the decision back to the people. At that point if it goes the other way if it then mebarrassing if people take issue with that? People just have different ideas about the country, none of which are listened to by government anyway. They're the ones who deserve our ire, not those who's like more autonomy over where in Europe they live or whatever.
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cryrst  The garden of England 25 Feb 23 2.16pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I would decide that at the time, in the prevailing circumstances and only after objecting to the need to hold one. If it was made very plain that it was merely a nationwide consultation of current opinion, a kind of super opinion poll, following a national debate, but that the final decision rested with Parliament, then possibly. In such circumstances a 48:52 result would not be regarded by Parliament as decisive and all the contributory factors would have enabled them to avoid the disaster. Which ironically is how the referendum played out. The fact that the government chose to honour the result and it wasn’t what you wanted is irrelevant really.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 25 Feb 23 2.25pm |
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NI protocol: Sunak criticised over ‘plans for EU chief to meet king’. 'God save our brexit, Long live our brexit deal'. You can see why observers think we are ridiculous.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 25 Feb 23 2.42pm |
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Brits are suffering but for us it’s boom time’: how Brexit boosted French and Irish ports. “They’re coming in from France, Spain, Belgium, Holland – it’s great to see,” he said. “Brexit has made an awful difference to here. Boris Johnson did Rosslare a favour.” A little over 340 nautical miles away in Cherbourg, Normandy, Yannick Millet, the port’s managing director, is equally enthusiastic. “The Brits may be suffering from Brexit,” he said. “But for us, it’s boom time. Traffic with Ireland is through the roof.”
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| Mapletree Croydon 25 Feb 23 2.55pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Maybe this time the grown ups will put a better case rather than depending on their innate superiority and the fact that the great unwashed will do as expected. Can't disagree with that. Corbyn was significantly to blame, didn't put his back into it and was totally half-hearted. Also the EU could have recognised the issue and given ground. Many mistakes made but ultimately populism trumped real fact, which is deeply frustrating. And now the genie is out of the bottle, nobody has the bottle to try to put it back in that bottle. Someone should battle the bottle.
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| Teddy Eagle 25 Feb 23 2.56pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Brits are suffering but for us it’s boom time’: how Brexit boosted French and Irish ports. “They’re coming in from France, Spain, Belgium, Holland – it’s great to see,” he said. “Brexit has made an awful difference to here. Boris Johnson did Rosslare a favour.” A little over 340 nautical miles away in Cherbourg, Normandy, Yannick Millet, the port’s managing director, is equally enthusiastic. “The Brits may be suffering from Brexit,” he said. “But for us, it’s boom time. Traffic with Ireland is through the roof.” Must be why de Gaulle twice stopped us joining in the 60s.
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 georgenorman 25 Feb 23 4.17pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Brits are suffering but for us it’s boom time’: how Brexit boosted French and Irish ports. “They’re coming in from France, Spain, Belgium, Holland – it’s great to see,” he said. “Brexit has made an awful difference to here. Boris Johnson did Rosslare a favour.” A little over 340 nautical miles away in Cherbourg, Normandy, Yannick Millet, the port’s managing director, is equally enthusiastic. “The Brits may be suffering from Brexit,” he said. “But for us, it’s boom time. Traffic with Ireland is through the roof.” Is there any sort of support agency that we can refer Steeleye to?
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| steeleye20 Croydon 25 Feb 23 4.21pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Can't disagree with that. Corbyn was significantly to blame, didn't put his back into it and was totally half-hearted. Also the EU could have recognised the issue and given ground. Many mistakes made but ultimately populism trumped real fact, which is deeply frustrating. And now the genie is out of the bottle, nobody has the bottle to try to put it back in that bottle. Someone should battle the bottle. Indeed will anybody? Starmer could break with tradition and be bold, it may be an election winner.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 25 Feb 23 4.23pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Is there any sort of support agency that we can refer Steeleye to? There may be one for me, but there definitely wouldn't be one for you.
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| Teddy Eagle 25 Feb 23 5.01pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Can't disagree with that. Corbyn was significantly to blame, didn't put his back into it and was totally half-hearted. Also the EU could have recognised the issue and given ground. Many mistakes made but ultimately populism trumped real fact, which is deeply frustrating. And now the genie is out of the bottle, nobody has the bottle to try to put it back in that bottle. Someone should battle the bottle. Maybe Corbyn's innate euro-scepticism held him back?
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