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Spiderman Flag Horsham 15 Nov 20 8.27pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The way some post on here, despite the faux patriotism, you could be forgiven for concluding that they would actually have been happier if we had lost the war.

No immigrants with unacceptable skin colours or religious beliefs. No leftists. A paradise for some?

Pretty low imo. I don’t know if you have included me in this but I find this quite insulting, having lost a grandfather in Italy fighting for our freedom. Also lost relatives in concentration camps.
Let’s turn it around if we had lost the war I doubt that any of us would have the freedom of expression ( however twisted) we have today, think on that

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 15 Nov 20 8.28pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The way some post on here, despite the faux patriotism, you could be forgiven for concluding that they would actually have been happier if we had lost the war.

No immigrants with unacceptable skin colours or religious beliefs. No leftists. A paradise for some?

Pretty low imo. I don’t know if you have included me in this but I find this quite insulting, having lost a grandfather in Italy fighting for our freedom. Also lost relatives in concentration camps.
Let’s turn it around if we had lost the war I doubt that any of us would have the freedom of expression ( however twisted) we have today, think on that

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 15 Nov 20 8.45pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Pretty low imo. I don’t know if you have included me in this but I find this quite insulting, having lost a grandfather in Italy fighting for our freedom. Also lost relatives in concentration camps.
Let’s turn it around if we had lost the war I doubt that any of us would have the freedom of expression ( however twisted) we have today, think on that

After seemingly not liking how Teddy interpreted his words he apparently has no issues interpreting the words of others himself.

I'm of the opinion that once the war started we had to win it......I just regret that the war started.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 15 Nov 20 9.07pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

After seemingly not liking how Teddy interpreted his words he apparently has no issues interpreting the words of others himself.

I'm of the opinion that once the war started we had to win it......I just regret that the war started.

I agree. My dad had to leave school and start work at 14, to support his 4 younger siblings, after his father was killed. Who really wanted that? Still at least his sacrifice allowed our freedom of speech

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 15 Nov 20 9.11pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

I agree. My dad had to leave school and start work at 14, to support his 4 younger siblings, after his father was killed. Who really wanted that? Still at least his sacrifice allowed our freedom of speech

Yep, for about 50 years until Blair got in....where it's been eroded ever since.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2020 9.11pm)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Nov 20 10.19pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Well, apparently you don’t know what it means.
Not everyone has either the time or the inclination to research the actions of the President of another country in search of confirmation bias. They just go with what they think will make them look good.
It’s a strange view that the President is supposed to act as an example to the rest of the world when most of them couldn’t give a tu’penny toss for what he says or does.

There are some pretty strange assertions there!

Just because you disagree with my view doesn't mean I don't know the meaning of the word.

Nobody has had any need to do any research on Trump. Unless you lived in isolation for the last few years it was impossible to miss him and I don't know anyone at all who doesn't have an opinion about him. None! Nor do they just care what "makes them look good"! What a daft idea. People are mostly genuinely very concerned. A few are impressed. As in this unusual echo chamber.

The idea that people "don't give a toss" is simply untrue in my experience. Maybe you live in another universe but it's not the one I am in. People care about our standing in the world. They care that the traditional leader of the western world is such a lying, unreliable, selfish prat and welcome his removal. Not because they are "Democrats" or "Lefties", but because normality will be restored.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 15 Nov 20 10.29pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There are some pretty strange assertions there!

Just because you disagree with my view doesn't mean I don't know the meaning of the word.

Nobody has had any need to do any research on Trump. Unless you lived in isolation for the last few years it was impossible to miss him and I don't know anyone at all who doesn't have an opinion about him. None! Nor do they just care what "makes them look good"! What a daft idea. People are mostly genuinely very concerned. A few are impressed. As in this unusual echo chamber.

The idea that people "don't give a toss" is simply untrue in my experience. Maybe you live in another universe but it's not the one I am in. People care about our standing in the world. They care that the traditional leader of the western world is such a lying, unreliable, selfish prat and welcome his removal. Not because they are "Democrats" or "Lefties", but because normality will be restored.

Your experience doesn’t seem to include anyone worried about losing their job or how to feed their kids or anything else in the middle of a pandemic except the fact a man they don’t know has been President of a country in which they don’t live. Daft idea? Facebook users live for “likes”.
The answer is so simple. You’re wrong.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Nov 20 10.56pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Pretty low imo. I don’t know if you have included me in this but I find this quite insulting, having lost a grandfather in Italy fighting for our freedom. Also lost relatives in concentration camps.
Let’s turn it around if we had lost the war I doubt that any of us would have the freedom of expression ( however twisted) we have today, think on that

I didn't target anyone. Only some of the posts, which if you read objectively you too might be forced to wonder about. Sometimes it seems some people let their inner selves slip into view without either meaning to, or perhaps even realising they are there and that the cap fits.

Many of us had relatives who served in the war. My own father was on the Prince of Wales when it was sunk off the Malayan coast in 1941. He went in the water but survived. He lost many mates. My mother had no news of him for 6 weeks. The experience affected him deeply for the rest of his life. So I understand very well what the defeat of both the Nazis and Japanese meant.

We certainly wouldn't have the freedom of expression that we now have if we had lost. We would also not have many other things. Some of which it seems that some here don't actually like very much.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Nov 20 11.13pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Your experience doesn’t seem to include anyone worried about losing their job or how to feed their kids or anything else in the middle of a pandemic except the fact a man they don’t know has been President of a country in which they don’t live. Daft idea? Facebook users live for “likes”.
The answer is so simple. You’re wrong.

Of course I know folk who have been and are still affected by the pandemic. That though has nothing whatsoever with their ability to care about Trump and his behaviour. You seriously under-estimate people.

I use FB. So do most of my family. None of us care a toss about "likes". So for someone who is normally one of the better posters here you are having a bad evening. You are wrong.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 15 Nov 20 11.18pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course I know folk who have been and are still affected by the pandemic. That though has nothing whatsoever with their ability to care about Trump and his behaviour. You seriously under-estimate people.

I use FB. So do most of my family. None of us care a toss about "likes". So for someone who is normally one of the better posters here you are having a bad evening. You are wrong.

Who knows? Maybe we’re both wrong. Wouldn’t be the first or last time.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Nov 20 11.43pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Where did you get that dumb idea from?

The simple fact is that Leftists, Liberals and their ilk have used the atrocities of WW2 as an excuse to drum up modern day paranoia in the same way that slavery has lead to an absurd level of White guilt among the easily indoctrinated.
For christ sake, we have people in Britain who want to claim widespread racism here and stir resentments because a Black drug addict and violent criminal got killed resisting arrest in another country.

Do you need any more evidence that activism doesn't care about the real world?

You are in serious denial. There is nothing the least bit dumb about asking the question.

Nor has anyone drummed up support for any paranoia. Our society has and is evolving, not just here but all over the world, although we are often in the vanguard. That's something to be proud of and not ashamed of. I find your attitude to be disturbing. Maybe you feel "white guilt" but I don't and nor does anyone else I know. To me it's just a term used to cover up racism.

There IS widespread racism here. The fact that you want to try to deny it is as disappointing as it is unsurprising. Much of it is held by people without them realising it, or intending it. It is ingrained into our various cultures. We are gradually overcoming it by educating our youngsters and changing attitudes on TV. Doubtless you hate it. I don't.

 


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silvertop Flag Portishead 16 Nov 20 11.48am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, for about 50 years until Blair got in....where it's been eroded ever since.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2020 9.11pm)

Looking g forward to reading your polemic on how Tony Blair destroyed the freedoms of the British people.

 

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