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Teddy Eagle 16 Sep 22 6.58am
Originally posted by croydon proud Yeah, my bad, still, 50k is not a bad average for doing non life threatening work, responsibility wise, and the 55k tube drivers money comes with ot and unsociable hours- nights and weekend work!Pay them more i say- they can spend it in restaurants, pubs, holidays- and get the economy booming! Another thing is that the city types I've met (not many of them but a few) were Essex wide boys not ex-Etonians. Why shouldn't working class lads earn big money?
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Teddy Eagle

16 Sep 22 6.58am

Originally posted by croydon proud

Yeah, my bad, still, 50k is not a bad average for doing non life threatening work, responsibility wise, and the 55k tube drivers money comes with ot and unsociable hours- nights and weekend work!Pay them more i say- they can spend it in restaurants, pubs, holidays- and get the economy booming!

Another thing is that the city types I've met (not many of them but a few) were Essex wide boys not ex-Etonians. Why shouldn't working class lads earn big money?

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Sep 22 9.24am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Another thing is that the city types I've met (not many of them but a few) were Essex wide boys not ex-Etonians. Why shouldn't working class lads earn big money? A lot of 'Essex boys' in my experience these days, whilst having working class routes, I would categorise as having grown up/become accustom to a middle class lifestyle with the added 'glitz n glamour' and faux cockney accent of course. All this in my experience has led to a more 'city' culture as opposed to a productive one whereby honest, hard working people regardless of background have sought to earn 'big money'. As for their work ethic and general intelligence I have to say a lot is left wanting. It's still very much Thatcher/Harry Enfield-esque to me. That said, I don't deny nor scorn them for it but there is a certain responsibility for those who are in charge of 'the money'. Luckily my employment renders them somewhat irrelevant to me but when your next guy is being f**ked by their antics is does somewhat pose a moral and social question or two. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Sep 22 9.24am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Another thing is that the city types I've met (not many of them but a few) were Essex wide boys not ex-Etonians. Why shouldn't working class lads earn big money?

A lot of 'Essex boys' in my experience these days, whilst having working class routes, I would categorise as having grown up/become accustom to a middle class lifestyle with the added 'glitz n glamour' and faux cockney accent of course.

All this in my experience has led to a more 'city' culture as opposed to a productive one whereby honest, hard working people regardless of background have sought to earn 'big money'. As for their work ethic and general intelligence I have to say a lot is left wanting. It's still very much Thatcher/Harry Enfield-esque to me.

That said, I don't deny nor scorn them for it but there is a certain responsibility for those who are in charge of 'the money'. Luckily my employment renders them somewhat irrelevant to me but when your next guy is being f**ked by their antics is does somewhat pose a moral and social question or two.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 16 Sep 22 9.40am
Originally posted by cryrst In the private sector wages reflect what you financially bring to the business. Hence why you have two houses and are semi retired at 50 ish. Your jobs earns lots because of what you paid yourself; which was a reflection of the skills you learned and used. And again is that so wrong. State workers don’t generate big profits as they arnt in a position to. They provide a service paid for from taxation with very good rewards at the end of that service period. That’s why police, fire, nurses , council staff etc all have generally a good retirement due to a decent pension contribution throughout their tenure of employment if it’s the full 30-40 years. Do you see the difference ? So the private sector chuck mega bonus bucks to the bankers- as they can because they are private sector- but when it goes tits up the taxpayer bails them out?
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Any european country i fancy! 16 Sep 22 9.40am

Originally posted by cryrst

In the private sector wages reflect what you financially bring to the business. Hence why you have two houses and are semi retired at 50 ish. Your jobs earns lots because of what you paid yourself; which was a reflection of the skills you learned and used.
And again is that so wrong. State workers don’t generate big profits as they arnt in a position to. They provide a service paid for from taxation with very good rewards at the end of that service period. That’s why police, fire, nurses , council staff etc all have generally a good retirement due to a decent pension contribution throughout their tenure of employment if it’s the full 30-40 years.
Do you see the difference ?

So the private sector chuck mega bonus bucks to the bankers- as they can because they are private sector- but when it goes tits up the taxpayer bails them out?

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 16 Sep 22 9.42am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Another thing is that the city types I've met (not many of them but a few) were Essex wide boys not ex-Etonians. Why shouldn't working class lads earn big money? Ah, the Essex boys- Basildon man- thatchers children- to be avoided at all times at 11pm on a Thursday night in the city! Essex pal? Sorry mate- I only go South of the river!
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Any european country i fancy! 16 Sep 22 9.42am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Another thing is that the city types I've met (not many of them but a few) were Essex wide boys not ex-Etonians. Why shouldn't working class lads earn big money?

Ah, the Essex boys- Basildon man- thatchers children- to be avoided at all times at 11pm on a Thursday night in the city! Essex pal? Sorry mate- I only go South of the river!

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Spiderman Horsham 16 Sep 22 10.12am
Originally posted by croydon proud Yeah, my bad, still, 50k is not a bad average for doing non life threatening work, responsibility wise, and the 55k tube drivers money comes with ot and unsociable hours- nights and weekend work!Pay them more i say- they can spend it in restaurants, pubs, holidays- and get the economy booming! It seems you may have quoted basic salary. Here is some of the other perks, Also don’t bother applying, they have not recruited externally since 2008! [Link] Don’t forget the shifts where they turn up “as cover” are not needed so go home…. Fact. My wife works with a spouse of a tube driver Edited by Spiderman (16 Sep 2022 10.16am) Edited by Spiderman (16 Sep 2022 10.18am)
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Spiderman

Horsham 16 Sep 22 10.12am

Originally posted by croydon proud

It seems you may have quoted basic salary. Here is some of the other perks, Also don’t bother applying, they have not recruited externally since 2008!

[Link]

Don’t forget the shifts where they turn up “as cover” are not needed so go home…. Fact. My wife works with a spouse of a tube driver

Edited by Spiderman (16 Sep 2022 10.16am)

Edited by Spiderman (16 Sep 2022 10.18am)

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steeleye20 Croydon 16 Sep 22 10.28am
When they failed due to their reckless behaviour we ended up bailing them out. A huge mistake in my opinion they are monuments to greed and avarice they are corrupt and their performance is abject. To pay them anything is an insult to working people. Independent, in charge of inflation? They want us to reward them for failure. Bankers should be paying us not the other way round.
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Croydon 16 Sep 22 10.28am

When they failed due to their reckless behaviour we ended up bailing them out.

A huge mistake in my opinion they are monuments to greed and avarice they are corrupt and their performance is abject.

To pay them anything is an insult to working people.

Independent, in charge of inflation? They want us to reward them for failure.

Bankers should be paying us not the other way round.

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cryrst The garden of England 16 Sep 22 10.44am
Originally posted by croydon proud So the private sector chuck mega bonus bucks to the bankers- as they can because they are private sector- but when it goes tits up the taxpayer bails them out? And so far the taxpayer has made about 1 billion profit on said bailout. I’m sure that’s good news. Btw the lights didn’t go out and life went on. Also it was a labour hmg and I agreed with what they did.
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cryrst

The garden of England 16 Sep 22 10.44am

Originally posted by croydon proud

So the private sector chuck mega bonus bucks to the bankers- as they can because they are private sector- but when it goes tits up the taxpayer bails them out?

And so far the taxpayer has made about 1 billion profit on said bailout. I’m sure that’s good news. Btw the lights didn’t go out and life went on. Also it was a labour hmg and I agreed with what they did.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 16 Sep 22 12.08pm
it was Gordon Brown who deregulated FFS Steeleye as usual all bandwagon and no facts As you say, the taxpayer made money and the economy was saved Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 16 Sep 22 12.08pm

it was Gordon Brown who deregulated FFS

Steeleye as usual all bandwagon and no facts

As you say, the taxpayer made money and the economy was saved

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 16 Sep 22 3.58pm
Originally posted by Spiderman It seems you may have quoted basic salary. Here is some of the other perks, Also don’t bother applying, they have not recruited externally since 2008! [Link] Don’t forget the shifts where they turn up “as cover” are not needed so go home…. Fact. My wife works with a spouse of a tube driver Edited by Spiderman (16 Sep 2022 10.16am) Edited by Spiderman (16 Sep 2022 10.18am) God forbid we send a man home who has travelled in to work as cover and is not needed! If that"s the case its all in the terms and conditions i"m sure spider- thats the deal, so no biggy! A bit like perks of a night shift- I saw nurses take a 2 hour kip in private room, then swop a few years back- all part of the job, or carers having sleep over duty, all part of the job sleeping! Just because tube and train drivers have got a good union- with good negotiated terms- shouldn"t get workers jealous- they have to get themselves good terms-with a good union!
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croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 16 Sep 22 3.58pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

It seems you may have quoted basic salary. Here is some of the other perks, Also don’t bother applying, they have not recruited externally since 2008!

[Link]

Don’t forget the shifts where they turn up “as cover” are not needed so go home…. Fact. My wife works with a spouse of a tube driver

Edited by Spiderman (16 Sep 2022 10.16am)

Edited by Spiderman (16 Sep 2022 10.18am)

God forbid we send a man home who has travelled in to work as cover and is not needed!
If that"s the case its all in the terms and conditions i"m sure spider- thats the deal, so no biggy! A bit like perks of a night shift- I saw nurses take a 2 hour kip in private room, then swop a few years back- all part of the job, or carers having sleep over duty, all part of the job sleeping! Just because tube and train drivers have got a good union- with good negotiated terms- shouldn"t get workers jealous- they have to get themselves good terms-with a good union!

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 16 Sep 22 3.59pm
Originally posted by cryrst And so far the taxpayer has made about 1 billion profit on said bailout. I’m sure that’s good news. Btw the lights didn’t go out and life went on. Also it was a labour hmg and I agreed with what they did. Bloomin socialist !
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croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 16 Sep 22 3.59pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Bloomin socialist !

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cryrst The garden of England 16 Sep 22 4.15pm
Originally posted by croydon proud Bloomin socialist ! That is the difference between left and right. I as right wing, can look at left policies and agree with what I think is a good and beneficial one. You on the other hand are a lefty. Say no more I guess….!!
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cryrst

The garden of England 16 Sep 22 4.15pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Bloomin socialist !

That is the difference between left and right. I as right wing, can look at left policies and agree with what I think is a good and beneficial one. You on the other hand are a lefty. Say no more I guess….!!

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cryrst The garden of England 16 Sep 22 4.19pm
Originally posted by croydon proud God forbid we send a man home who has travelled in to work as cover and is not needed! If that"s the case its all in the terms and conditions i"m sure spider- thats the deal, so no biggy! A bit like perks of a night shift- I saw nurses take a 2 hour kip in private room, then swop a few years back- all part of the job, or carers having sleep over duty, all part of the job sleeping! Just because tube and train drivers have got a good union- with good negotiated terms- shouldn"t get workers jealous- they have to get themselves good terms-with a good union! Albeit that the changes in Ts and Cs are the way to free up money for the pay rises. This is going to backfire on the unions as by the time the strikes are over and seen to be a waste of time the offer will have dropped with inflation and Ts and Cs will be changed anyway. Remember the miners strikes? Not many pits survived did they? Even with that dope stirring it up daily. Money is actually god tbh!
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cryrst

The garden of England 16 Sep 22 4.19pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Albeit that the changes in Ts and Cs are the way to free up money for the pay rises. This is going to backfire on the unions as by the time the strikes are over and seen to be a waste of time the offer will have dropped with inflation and Ts and Cs will be changed anyway. Remember the miners strikes? Not many pits survived did they? Even with that dope stirring it up daily. Money is actually god tbh!

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