No-one "should" ever be shot unless another life is in imminent danger. Did the guard sincerely believe his was? I am not inside his mind any more than anyone else. What I do know is that he faced an unprecedented, terrifying situation which I would not have wanted to be involved in. How I would have reacted I cannot know. That no-one else got shot is testimony to the very considerable patience and fortitude shown by the staff that day, some of whom were nothing less than heroic in the way they handled the mob. Rather than focus on the fact that this lady was a victim of the decision to break in, which she participated in, maybe we should celebrate the fact that she was the only one, due to the quality of those they threatened.

The later deaths were no co-incidence. To suggest they are stretches incredulity beyond reasonable limits.

The events speak for themselves. They don't need a theory to be built around them. They just need to be investigated to reveal what triggered them.

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The Democrats did NOTHING to Trump. Not a thing. That kind of assertion is typical of an indoctrinated Trumpkin.

He was investigated by a special investigator of the Justice Department. He is now being investigated by a Congressional Committee. He was impeached by a Congressional vote. That's all, every last bit of it, by the representatives of the people.

Trump being difficult cannot be defended if the truth is going to be revealed and we cannot move forward unless, and until, it is.

This obsession with blaming everything on the Democrats and not seeing Trump as the dangerous non politician he is, is shameful to witness in the UK. That the GOP is still running scared of him is what needs to be criticised.

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Why not remove the border and welcome as many migrants as want to go? There are only 130,000,000 people in Mexico and some of them will want to stay. Or increase the GDP in Mexico to equal that of the US - might cost a bit more than a wall though.

Interesting that you don't have any injury figures inflicted on the protestors by the Capitol Police.

However, if anyone went out to violently attack Police that day I don't have any issues with proportional action taken.

Once again, that gun death is ignored.

However, all this concern was very absent from Democrats and their supporters for Police for the 18 months prior.....where they continually attacked their reputation and in major cases reduced their funding, plus criminally they released the criminals they arrested back onto the streets.

While all this happened I heard not a peep from those who post now.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Thank you, although apparently you lending support to common sense makes you "far left".

I guess that means majority opinion in the UK is now "far left"! Who would have ever thought that?

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We'll see. Apparently there were 15 people in the room during the call, so there will be plenty of evidence of what was said, and its context. Just because a famous journalist includes a selected quote in a book doesn't tell us anything very much.

What is much more relevant is the statement made by the Generals in the aftermath of the Jan 6th riot. Including General Milley.

"As we have done throughout our history, the U.S. military will obey lawful orders from civilian leadership, support civilian authorities to protect lives and property, ensure public safety in accordance with the law, and remain fully committed to protecting and defending the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

It's an interesting statement, isn't it? It is strong on being lawful, and domestic enemies.

They wouldn't refuse lawful orders, but would Trump be able to issue any in those circumstances?

I guess we can all be relieved we didn't need to find out. As I said earlier the most likely consequence was a constitutional crisis.

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