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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by dorking
The plans are still online on the Croydon Council website, so you can see exactly what goes where on every level of the stand. Incredibly, the height wasn't an issue. Two of the biggest sticking points holding things up are the removal of the Wooderson Close houses and doing a deal with Sainsburys - in both cases CPFC does not own the land it needs to build even this design with tapered ends. If Palace had gone for 70+ rows across the whole length of the stand, then it would have been an even bigger job to get the land that we need, because the footprint of the structure would have been colossal Perhaps they will include it on FIFA 20.
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 Hrolf The Ganger  01 Jul 19 5.32pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by dorking
The plans are still online on the Croydon Council website, so you can see exactly what goes where on every level of the stand. Incredibly, the height wasn't an issue. Two of the biggest sticking points holding things up are the removal of the Wooderson Close houses and doing a deal with Sainsburys - in both cases CPFC does not own the land it needs to build even this design with tapered ends. If Palace had gone for 70+ rows across the whole length of the stand, then it would have been an even bigger job to get the land that we need, because the footprint of the structure would have been colossal So you are saying that the curved design would have to completely altered from ground level to accommodate more seats, thus requiring a prohibitively large footprint. I understand.
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 02 Jul 19 3.35pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So you are saying that the curved design would have to completely altered from ground level to accommodate more seats, thus requiring a prohibitively large footprint. I understand. I would love to have seen the stand under construction already, but as its not, i would ditch the curve, its a bit dated, all the new grounds have it, and if we could get the land and as stated the height is not an issue, i would like to see a higher stand more like the new liverpool one, and get the 40k capacity, just saying,,,,,,,,,,
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grumpymort  US/Thailand/UK 02 Jul 19 7.44pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by croydon proud
I would love to have seen the stand under construction already, but as its not, i would ditch the curve, its a bit dated, all the new grounds have it, and if we could get the land and as stated the height is not an issue, i would like to see a higher stand more like the new liverpool one, and get the 40k capacity, just saying,,,,,,,,,,
This whole project has been a waste of money and I really hope it doesn't go through 10 thousand for around 200m is madness (the 100m quotes are complete rubbish speak to people in construction they will tell you this)
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| orpingtoneagle Orpington 02 Jul 19 10.20pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave This will never happen. It is as much pure vanity as when Jordan announced he had bought back Selhurst Park. Then we all cheered and believed the lie, now we all see the shiny drawings and yet again believe the hype. The cost is spiralling as much as anything because we are trying to adapt the old aa anything else. A better bet would be to move out for a year or two, knock the ground down and start again. We are also suffering from the bits of land around sainsburys and facing the road we have no control over.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 02 Jul 19 10.48pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by grumpymort
This whole project has been a waste of money and I really hope it doesn't go through 10 thousand for around 200m is madness (the 100m quotes are complete rubbish speak to people in construction they will tell you this) Do I have to repeat that this is not just about capacity?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 02 Jul 19 10.53pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by orpingtoneagle
This will never happen. It is as much pure vanity as when Jordan announced he had bought back Selhurst Park. Then we all cheered and believed the lie, now we all see the shiny drawings and yet again believe the hype. The cost is spiralling as much as anything because we are trying to adapt the old aa anything else. A better bet would be to move out for a year or two, knock the ground down and start again. We are also suffering from the bits of land around sainsburys and facing the road we have no control over. So building one stand is too expensive but rebuilding the whole ground at once is OK? And where do you want to watch the team play for two years? In my opinion, we must do the ground one piece at a time or move to a new site. The latter seems to be beyond the ambitions of the current owners and many blinkered fans.
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| grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 02 Jul 19 11.32pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Do I have to repeat that this is not just about capacity?
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So building one stand is too expensive but rebuilding the whole ground at once is OK? And where do you want to watch the team play for two years? In my opinion, we must do the ground one piece at a time or move to a new site. The latter seems to be beyond the ambitions of the current owners and many blinkered fans. Cost wise it is better to knock down and rebuild why else do you think others around the world do this. We do not own all the land around their so by clearing what we do own we then can build something which suits that space. Does it matter what location we use for 2 years not really plenty of places about which I bet have much better transport links anyway. (only issue is capacity of those other grounds) How can we do it in pieces you can't their is no space have you even been to the ground before I think not otherwise you would clearly see this (even the so called current planned stand can't fit) If they knock it down and rebuild they could even do things like underground car park I remember someone did do a plan which showed shifting some bits around like moving the pitch etc and it was far better then the fantasy SP version. I do agree about the new site but land is limited and the land that is available is either expensive or you will get people moaning about location.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 03 Jul 19 8.29am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by grumpymort
Cost wise it is better to knock down and rebuild why else do you think others around the world do this. We do not own all the land around their so by clearing what we do own we then can build something which suits that space. Does it matter what location we use for 2 years not really plenty of places about which I bet have much better transport links anyway. (only issue is capacity of those other grounds) How can we do it in pieces you can't their is no space have you even been to the ground before I think not otherwise you would clearly see this (even the so called current planned stand can't fit) If they knock it down and rebuild they could even do things like underground car park I remember someone did do a plan which showed shifting some bits around like moving the pitch etc and it was far better then the fantasy SP version. I do agree about the new site but land is limited and the land that is available is either expensive or you will get people moaning about location. The cost of a total rebuild might be cheaper in total than a stand by stand build but it will be a huge sum to find all in one go and I don't believe that a new roof and redesign of the AW and adding to the WHL would be impossible as it is. I also don't see how architects would design a main stand that wasn't suitable. The point of the new main stand is to improve the hub of the club ASAP. That is where more income will come from.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Jul 19 10.48am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The cost of a total rebuild might be cheaper in total than a stand by stand build but it will be a huge sum to find all in one go and I don't believe that a new roof and redesign of the AW and adding to the WHL would be impossible as it is. I also don't see how architects would design a main stand that wasn't suitable. The point of the new main stand is to improve the hub of the club ASAP. That is where more income will come from. I also think grumpy is using the cost of the out of town new stadiums built on flat land with lots of access space. A new Selhurst would have to be built into the same difficult slopes on 2 sides, the Arfur on Park Rd and the Holmesdale, and not change an awful lot in dimension unless we go really expensive. The access around all of it would be difficult and expensive. The main stand is simple and is the one that increases capacity for corporate seats and non match day revenue.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 03 Jul 19 11.20am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I also think grumpy is using the cost of the out of town new stadiums built on flat land with lots of access space. A new Selhurst would have to be built into the same difficult slopes on 2 sides, the Arfur on Park Rd and the Holmesdale, and not change an awful lot in dimension unless we go really expensive. The access around all of it would be difficult and expensive. The main stand is simple and is the one that increases capacity for corporate seats and non match day revenue. Quite. It is what matters in terms of income.
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 03 Jul 19 2.54pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by grumpymort
This whole project has been a waste of money and I really hope it doesn't go through 10 thousand for around 200m is madness (the 100m quotes are complete rubbish speak to people in construction they will tell you this) Ok, my bad, looks like its an 800 foot tall 5 tier whitehorse then for my 40k capacity!
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