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Ouzo Dan Behind you 30 May 19 4.29am
Originally posted by Maine Eagle This is a very simplistic way to examine the cost/benefits of EU membership. You cannot really boil it down to simple in and out financials of this nature. We also enjoy many tariff and trade benefits as a member of the customs union and single market. There are benefits that are hard to quantify financially until we dont have them anymore. As we are yet to actually leave the EU, the true financial situation will not be known until the point at which that happens, and the ensuing years. The thing is the £350/£260m figure can & has been quantified, ask yourself this would having £350m or £260m written on the side of a bus (a bus that no one actually cares about) make any difference to how people voted? The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Ouzo Dan

Behind you 30 May 19 4.29am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

This is a very simplistic way to examine the cost/benefits of EU membership.

You cannot really boil it down to simple in and out financials of this nature.

We also enjoy many tariff and trade benefits as a member of the customs union and single market. There are benefits that are hard to quantify financially until we dont have them anymore.

As we are yet to actually leave the EU, the true financial situation will not be known until the point at which that happens, and the ensuing years.

The thing is the £350/£260m figure can & has been quantified, ask yourself this would having £350m or £260m written on the side of a bus (a bus that no one actually cares about) make any difference to how people voted?

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 30 May 19 4.56am
Out here in SK pretty much everyone I speak to (demograph roughly 25yrs to about 40yrs) want Britain to just leave the EU. The EU isn't hugely popular amongst the working class here whilst the middle class think its the greatest thing ever. There's a fair bit of corruption that goes on with eu money being pocketed on projects & people tend to blame both sides, think this is where the general negative sentiment comes from. The older generation here want a return to communism & see the EU as a s*** version of that. I got my residency a few months back & it was all pretty straight forward. Spent half a day at an immigration centre which resembled a prison. The whole thing was conducted in Slovak with not a word spoken in English so I was lucky to have my gf there to speak on my behalf at times. I had to produce a letter stating I would not claim any benefits, had to show I had 200eur in my wallet to feed myself & demonstrate I had a place to live, then it was a case of having your photos/fingerprints taken & my ID was in the post. We asked what happens once Britain leaves the EU & there's a bit of additional paperwork that needs signing but they already have the system in place. The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Behind you 30 May 19 4.56am

Out here in SK pretty much everyone I speak to (demograph roughly 25yrs to about 40yrs) want Britain to just leave the EU. The EU isn't hugely popular amongst the working class here whilst the middle class think its the greatest thing ever.
There's a fair bit of corruption that goes on with eu money being pocketed on projects & people tend to blame both sides, think this is where the general negative sentiment comes from.

The older generation here want a return to communism & see the EU as a s*** version of that.

I got my residency a few months back & it was all pretty straight forward.
Spent half a day at an immigration centre which resembled a prison.
The whole thing was conducted in Slovak with not a word spoken in English so I was lucky to have my gf there to speak on my behalf at times.
I had to produce a letter stating I would not claim any benefits, had to show I had 200eur in my wallet to feed myself & demonstrate I had a place to live, then it was a case of having your photos/fingerprints taken & my ID was in the post.
We asked what happens once Britain leaves the EU & there's a bit of additional paperwork that needs signing but they already have the system in place.

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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Maine Eagle USA 30 May 19 5.37am
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan The thing is the £350/£260m figure can & has been quantified, ask yourself this would having £350m or £260m written on the side of a bus (a bus that no one actually cares about) make any difference to how people voted? 3 lies. Lie 1 - the figure. Lie 2 - the NHS piece. Lie 3 - dumbing down the entire topic by conflating a number which has many intangibles connected to it with domestic spending when they are totally unrelated, creating a false connection. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 30 May 19 5.37am

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

3 lies.

Lie 1 - the figure.

Lie 2 - the NHS piece.

Lie 3 - dumbing down the entire topic by conflating a number which has many intangibles connected to it with domestic spending when they are totally unrelated, creating a false connection.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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dannyboy1978 30 May 19 6.53am
Originally posted by Maine Eagle 3 lies. Lie 1 - the figure. Lie 2 - the NHS piece. Lie 3 - dumbing down the entire topic by conflating a number which has many intangibles connected to it with domestic spending when they are totally unrelated, creating a false connection. Do we give money to the EU . YES Could it go to the NHS instead. YES.
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dannyboy1978

30 May 19 6.53am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

3 lies.

Lie 1 - the figure.

Lie 2 - the NHS piece.

Lie 3 - dumbing down the entire topic by conflating a number which has many intangibles connected to it with domestic spending when they are totally unrelated, creating a false connection.

Do we give money to the EU . YES
Could it go to the NHS instead. YES.

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dannyboy1978 30 May 19 7.01am
Look at the spun head line to discreaded brexit. BBC News - Brexit shutdown slashes UK car production by 45% [Link] Then goes to say. "Production for both home and overseas markets fell by 43.7% and 44.7% respectively." "The stoppages in the factories have exacerbated a continuing slow down in the global car industry caused by the trade tensions between the US and China, uncertainties over the arrival of electric and self driving cars, and tougher environmental controls after the VW emissions scandal." Didnt we have mass job cuts in the 80's when car factories closed down whilst in the EU and later rover closed down. If Boris is going to court this should be considered bbc story should also. Edited by dannyboy1978 (30 May 2019 7.47am)
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30 May 19 7.01am

Look at the spun head line to discreaded brexit.
BBC News - Brexit shutdown slashes UK car production by 45%
[Link]
Then goes to say.
"Production for both home and overseas markets fell by 43.7% and 44.7% respectively."
"The stoppages in the factories have exacerbated a continuing slow down in the global car industry caused by the trade tensions between the US and China, uncertainties over the arrival of electric and self driving cars, and tougher environmental controls after the VW emissions scandal."
Didnt we have mass job cuts in the 80's when car factories closed down whilst in the EU and later rover closed down.
If Boris is going to court this should be considered bbc story should also.

Edited by dannyboy1978 (30 May 2019 7.47am)

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 30 May 19 7.19am
Originally posted by Maine Eagle 3 lies. Lie 1 - the figure. Lie 2 - the NHS piece. Lie 3 - dumbing down the entire topic by conflating a number which has many intangibles connected to it with domestic spending when they are totally unrelated, creating a false connection. You haven't answered my question. 1. The figure - erm yeah it's out a bit but I've already explained this, it's somewhat a half truth. Ill give you this one. 2. The NHS piece We send the EU £350m a week Let's fund our NHS instead vote leave It doesn't say give all 350m a week to the NHS although it's sensible to think that should we save x amount by leaving some of it can fund the NHS. Its accurate enough. 3. Dumbing down the topic Britain pays in more than it gets out, it's the side of a bus, what on earth do you expect to be printed on the side of a bus? Perhaps it should be covered in small print, would that make it more palatable? Again nothing to see here. The legal action is a grotesque waste of time & money, its been funded by hard Remainers who see anyone who doesn't conform to their npc hive mind as literal reincarnations of Hitler, ie. They should never be taken seriously. Fbpe = farage beating practically everyone Edited by Ouzo Dan (30 May 2019 7.26am) The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Ouzo Dan

Behind you 30 May 19 7.19am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

3 lies.

Lie 1 - the figure.

Lie 2 - the NHS piece.

Lie 3 - dumbing down the entire topic by conflating a number which has many intangibles connected to it with domestic spending when they are totally unrelated, creating a false connection.

You haven't answered my question.

1. The figure - erm yeah it's out a bit but I've already explained this, it's somewhat a half truth.
Ill give you this one.

2. The NHS piece
We send the EU £350m a week
Let's fund our NHS instead
vote leave
It doesn't say give all 350m a week to the NHS although it's sensible to think that should we save x amount by leaving some of it can fund the NHS.
Its accurate enough.

3. Dumbing down the topic
Britain pays in more than it gets out, it's the side of a bus, what on earth do you expect to be printed on the side of a bus? Perhaps it should be covered in small print, would that make it more palatable?
Again nothing to see here.

The legal action is a grotesque waste of time & money, its been funded by hard Remainers who see anyone who doesn't conform to their npc hive mind as literal reincarnations of Hitler, ie. They should never be taken seriously.

Fbpe = farage beating practically everyone

Edited by Ouzo Dan (30 May 2019 7.26am)

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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Badger11 Beckenham 30 May 19 7.22am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Look at the spun head line to discreaded brexit. BBC News - Brexit shutdown slashes UK car production by 45% [Link] Then goes to say. "Production for both home and overseas markets fell by 43.7% and 44.7% respectively." "The stoppages in the factories have exacerbated a continuing slow down in the global car industry caused by the trade tensions between the US and China, uncertainties over the arrival of electric and self driving cars, and tougher environmental controls after the VW emissions scandal." If Boris is going to court this should be considered also. Yup I saw the headline but when you read the article the two don't tally. That is not to say that the Brexit isn't isn't having an impact but you only have to look at worldwide car production to realise the main causes of the downturn. Inevitably the paper are now investigating the person who brought the case against Boris. Like most of us he is not perfect, expect a few skeletons to fall out of his cupboard. It has also been pointed out that Boris wasn't the only one using the £350million claim, a number of other high profile Leave politicians also did so why are they not being prosecuted as well? One more point
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Beckenham 30 May 19 7.22am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Look at the spun head line to discreaded brexit.
BBC News - Brexit shutdown slashes UK car production by 45%
[Link]
Then goes to say.
"Production for both home and overseas markets fell by 43.7% and 44.7% respectively."
"The stoppages in the factories have exacerbated a continuing slow down in the global car industry caused by the trade tensions between the US and China, uncertainties over the arrival of electric and self driving cars, and tougher environmental controls after the VW emissions scandal."
If Boris is going to court this should be considered also.

Yup I saw the headline but when you read the article the two don't tally. That is not to say that the Brexit isn't isn't having an impact but you only have to look at worldwide car production to realise the main causes of the downturn.

Inevitably the paper are now investigating the person who brought the case against Boris. Like most of us he is not perfect, expect a few skeletons to fall out of his cupboard.

It has also been pointed out that Boris wasn't the only one using the £350million claim, a number of other high profile Leave politicians also did so why are they not being prosecuted as well?

One more point

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Badger11 Beckenham 30 May 19 7.25am
Apparently the wrong winners were shown on BGT must be a Remainer doing the scores. [Link] One more point
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Beckenham 30 May 19 7.25am

Apparently the wrong winners were shown on BGT must be a Remainer doing the scores.

[Link]

One more point

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cpfc_chap koh samui 30 May 19 7.30am
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan You haven't answered my question. 1. The figure - erm yeah it's out a bit but I've already explained this, it's somewhat a half truth. Ill give you this one. 2. The NHS piece We send the EU £350m a week Let's fund our NHS instead vote leave It doesn't say give all 350m a week to the NHS although it's sensible to think that should we save x amount by leaving some of it can fund the NHS. Its accurate enough. 3. Dumbing down the topic Britain pays in more than it gets out, it's the side of a bus, what on earth do you expect to be printed on the side of a bus? Perhaps it should be covered in small print, would that make it more palatable? Again nothing to see here. The legal action is a grotesque waste of time & money, its been funded by hard Remainers who see anyone different to their npc hive mind as literal reincarnations of Hitler, ie. They should never be taken seriously. Edited by Ouzo Dan (30 May 2019 7.22am) They are still clutching at straws. Remainers are becoming a bit loathsome to me and starting become the real thickos of society
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koh samui 30 May 19 7.30am

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

You haven't answered my question.

1. The figure - erm yeah it's out a bit but I've already explained this, it's somewhat a half truth.
Ill give you this one.

The legal action is a grotesque waste of time & money, its been funded by hard Remainers who see anyone different to their npc hive mind as literal reincarnations of Hitler, ie. They should never be taken seriously.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (30 May 2019 7.22am)

They are still clutching at straws. Remainers are becoming a bit loathsome to me and starting become the real thickos of society

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dannyboy1978 30 May 19 7.39am
So if the UK gives the EU 13 billion a year but gets back 4 billion in a rebate, does anyone know who chooses where the 4 billion is spent or goes? My thinking is if the EU chooses where the 4 billions goes then actually if we left the EU we could literally give , if we choose to give the NHS 13 billion a year. anyone know what that is a week?
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30 May 19 7.39am

So if the UK gives the EU 13 billion a year but gets back 4 billion in a rebate, does anyone know who chooses where the 4 billion is spent or goes?

My thinking is if the EU chooses where the 4 billions goes then actually if we left the EU we could literally give , if we choose to give the NHS 13 billion a year.
anyone know what that is a week?

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Badger11 Beckenham 30 May 19 7.49am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 So if the UK gives the EU 13 billion a year but gets back 4 billion in a rebate, does anyone know who chooses where the 4 billion is spent or goes? My thinking is if the EU chooses where the 4 billions goes then actually if we left the EU we could literally give , if we choose to give the NHS 13 billion a year. anyone know what that is a week? I don't think that Boris has lied. He has skewed the numbers to make a point but all politicians do. Ask the Tories how the economy is doing they will reel off a load of facts that tell you it's great. Ask Corbyn the same question and you will get a different answer because it's cherry picking. Edited by Badger11 (30 May 2019 7.49am) One more point
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Beckenham 30 May 19 7.49am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

So if the UK gives the EU 13 billion a year but gets back 4 billion in a rebate, does anyone know who chooses where the 4 billion is spent or goes?

My thinking is if the EU chooses where the 4 billions goes then actually if we left the EU we could literally give , if we choose to give the NHS 13 billion a year.
anyone know what that is a week?

I don't think that Boris has lied. He has skewed the numbers to make a point but all politicians do. Ask the Tories how the economy is doing they will reel off a load of facts that tell you it's great. Ask Corbyn the same question and you will get a different answer because it's cherry picking.

Edited by Badger11 (30 May 2019 7.49am)

One more point

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Mapletree Croydon 30 May 19 8.49am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Your usual nonsense. All just lies and propaganda. It is a fact she took a seat from UKIP in a by election last autumn.
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Croydon 30 May 19 8.49am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Your usual nonsense.

All just lies and propaganda.

It is a fact she took a seat from UKIP in a by election last autumn.

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