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Maine Eagle Flag USA 29 May 19 10.59pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Precisely. We need to leave, but we don't need to leave on no deal. Leaving on a managed deal is not 'not leaving'. That, is a fact.

Customs Union comes closest to remaining, and for that reason I can't see that version happening. Will no doubt end up being some sort of frankensteined May deal, with an extension into 2020.

The more I think about it the more I think a second ref is unlikely, or at least a one with no deal and deal as the only two options. Can't see the politicos putting the most feared option on the table to the plebs again. Too risky.

And to those surprised at the continuing obfuscation – you can't say there is a corrupt political elite making decisions for themselves one minute then expect them to simply ratify something like this without a hitch the next. Naive at best.

Makes me laugh - hating the system because it’s protecting its own interests then expecting the same system to implement something that goes against the grain.

As long as we do leave, I can't see room for complaint. You can wish you had a harder, softer or no brexit at all, but the result of the vote will have been honoured. Choosing 'leave' did not mean 'no deal'. Considering the vote split had the option been 'Leave with no deal on WTO terms' Remain would probably have won. So every cloud. And that's that

May's WA deal is DOA. It wont come back, it is an ex-deal.

That leaves 2 choices on the next referendum.

Revoke article 50, or remain.

Everyone who cries murder from the hills about respecting democracy must understand that people did not explicitly vote for no deal on 2016.

Given the enormous consequences to the economy and peace in Ireland, it would be totally undemocratic to foist no deal on the public.

Parliament will find no majority to revoke, nor to leave with no deal. Bercow will ensure no deal will only happen if supported by a majority in parliament.

Ergo, if parliament cannot pick between the 2 options (it really will be binary this time) then the people must decide for no deal, or to revoke.

Democracy applies in 2019 just like it did in 2016.

The will of the electorate must be respected on a no deal exit.

If it is the will of the people, so be it, lets crash out.

If it is not, then this must be respected.

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 29 May 19 11.35pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Yet Farmers in the South West voted for Brexit invery large numbers - mainly because they see this as an opportunity to escape from the rigidity of EU 'box ticking', as this article explains.....

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They did. According to a LibDem Councillor I spoke with who had taken her seat from UKIP they are now changing their minds in droves.

 

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Invalid user 2019 Flag 29 May 19 11.57pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Precisely. We need to leave, but we don't need to leave on no deal. Leaving on a managed deal is not 'not leaving'. That, is a fact.

Customs Union comes closest to remaining, and for that reason I can't see that version happening. Will no doubt end up being some sort of frankensteined May deal, with an extension into 2020.

The more I think about it the more I think a second ref is unlikely, or at least a one with no deal and deal as the only two options. Can't see the politicos putting the most feared option on the table to the plebs again. Too risky.

And to those surprised at the continuing obfuscation – you can't say there is a corrupt political elite making decisions for themselves one minute then expect them to simply ratify something like this without a hitch the next. Naive at best.

Makes me laugh - hating the system because it’s protecting its own interests then expecting the same system to implement something that goes against the grain.

As long as we do leave, I can't see room for complaint. You can wish you had a harder, softer or no brexit at all, but the result of the vote will have been honoured. Choosing 'leave' did not mean 'no deal'. Considering the vote split had the option been 'Leave with no deal on WTO terms' Remain would probably have won. So every cloud. And that's that

I'd not quite looked at it this way. You do come across as a balanced voice in a tribal atmosphere. To me remaining makes little sense, as it goes against the majority vote. Those voices and that fact aren't going away just because some close their eyes to it, that's true even if the vote is 'somehow' overturned. It's a reality that remainers need to face.

At the same time though, this 'f*ck em all off', boo hiss EU attitude is shortsighted. Ultimately we have more in common with our European partners than those elsewhere around the world and so logically it makes little sense to dismiss them or for the relationship between us to become more and more hostile.

A sensible and reciprocal attitude with close European nations, where we have control over immigration policy makes a hell of a lot more sense than this, 'f*ck the EU, think of the opportunities in Guam' style attitude.

A balanced exit 'if possible' is not the end of the world, and so I hope the EU and UK can achieve that, rather that this gungho complete and sudden exit strategy. I've travelled around a bit in Europe lately, and while views vary I've come across a few people in countries that clearly are a hair's breadth different to our own who seem to think we actively dislike them and what they stand for. I don't want out allegiances, or indeed or union to increasingly fragment, and so acknowledge that comprises need to be made on all sides. Sometimes to compromise can indicate acceptable of a reality, rather than demonstration of weakness.

The hysteria and endless dragging on of this process due to our failing punch and judy party system is obscuring basic realities. A personal flavour of 'leave' from a menu is less important than actually just getting on and doing it.

Edited by dollardays (30 May 2019 12.00am)

 

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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 30 May 19 12.03am Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

They're looking to recoup some of these losses by picking on Italy and handing them a 3.5billion fine for doing nothing more than France and Germany have done in the past.........fine-free?
How people can't see that the EU is nothing more than a ponzi scheme for France and Germany baffles me.

Italy will be next to leave after we leave then France. Watch the whole s***shack of cards come crumbling down

 


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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 30 May 19 12.05am Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

I'd not quite looked at it this way. You do come across as a balanced voice in a tribal atmosphere. To me remaining makes little sense, as it goes against the majority vote. Those voices and that fact aren't going away just because some close their eyes to it, that's true even if the vote is 'somehow' overturned. It's a reality that remainers need to face.

At the same time though, this 'f*ck em all off', boo hiss EU attitude is shortsighted. Ultimately we have more in common with our European partners than those elsewhere around the world and so logically it makes little sense to dismiss them or for the relationship between us to become more and more hostile.

A sensible and reciprocal attitude with close European nations, where we have control over immigration policy makes a hell of a lot more sense than this, 'f*ck the EU, think of the opportunities in Guam' style attitude.

A balanced exit 'if possible' is not the end of the world, and so I hope the EU and UK can achieve that, rather that this gungho complete and sudden exit strategy. I've travelled around a bit in Europe lately, and while views vary I've come across a few people in countries that clearly are a hair's breadth different to our own who seem to think we actively dislike them and what they stand for. I don't want out allegiances, or indeed or union to increasingly fragment, and so acknowledge that comprises need to be made on all sides. Sometimes to compromise can indicate acceptable of a reality, rather than demonstration of weakness.

The hysteria and endless dragging on of this process due to our failing punch and judy party system is obscuring basic realities. A personal flavour of 'leave' from a menu is less important than actually just getting on and doing it.

Edited by dollardays (30 May 2019 12.00am)

Apart from the USA of course!!!!!!!

 


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Maine Eagle Flag USA 30 May 19 12.17am Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Piers (huge t*** - I hope personal insults to dicks like Piers Morgan are allowed here) is correct, no one voted for a deal.

No one voted for a deal, or no deal. No one voted for Norway plus. No one voted for any specifics, just to leave.

That is exactly the problem, so for once that massive dick Piers Morgan hit the nail on the head.

No one voted for no deal, so to impose it upon people is undemocratic. The WA deal is dead in the water, and lets face it, its half in half out of the EU, its not a real Brexit.

If no deal is the only way to actually leave now, then it should be voted on again, versus remaining in the EU.

If the people opt for a no deal brexit, as a majority, then bring it on and get it over with.

 


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Invalid user 2019 Flag 30 May 19 12.18am

Originally posted by Jimenez

Apart from the USA of course!!!!!!!

That's a good point actually! The ever questioned special relationship still certainly means something to me, and I suspect countless Brits and Americans alike.

 

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Invalid user 2019 Flag 30 May 19 12.23am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Piers (huge t*** - I hope personal insults to dicks like Piers Morgan are allowed here) is correct, no one voted for a deal.

No one voted for a deal, or no deal. No one voted for Norway plus. No one voted for any specifics, just to leave.

That is exactly the problem, so for once that massive dick Piers Morgan hit the nail on the head.

He's an annoyance at times, because he's essentially always looking to play the role of 'click-bait headline' in any discussion. By which I mean that he'll say whatever he needs to get noticed at the time, wherever it's left or right. It's about coverage not beliefs for him. One minute he's slagging off someone on the left, then the right, then smoking a spliff in a Mike Tyson podcast. It's entertaining, but it's about him rather than the nation.


 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 30 May 19 1.09am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

They did. According to a LibDem Councillor I spoke with who had taken her seat from UKIP they are now changing their minds in droves.

Your usual nonsense.

All just lies and propaganda.

 

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Maine Eagle Flag USA 30 May 19 2.33am Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Your usual nonsense.

All just lies and propaganda.

Not true.

Know how I know?

Cos a mate of a mate in old Devonshire is a farmers son, bay.

And he does say, bay, that his old gaffer done regrets it, bay.

So that’s one.

Also the head of the national farmers union is fairly clear on this issue.

 


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