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Stirlingsays 10 Feb 19 11.16am | |
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Originally posted by ChuFukka
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Feb 19 11.20am | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
This post is all hot air and speculation with zero substance. Hit me with some facts. Oh no, you can't because you have nothing to back up your ridiculous assertions that are full of hatred of an individual. I have neither the time nor the interest to educate you in these matters. They are all part of the public record so please do your own research. Ignore the propaganda arms of the "alternative facts" movement, otherwise known as Fox News or Breitbart, and look at the official records. Google is your friend. So far as Trump himself is concerned that research is very simple. No need for any filters. Just read his tweets and broadcasts and compare them with known facts.
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ChuFukka 10 Feb 19 11.54am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's not a 'false equivalence' because cryrst didn't claim that the scale was the same. It still happened and the actual policy is and was sensible. The response of the Democratic media wasn't only illogical but it was highly ill informed. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Feb 2019 11.11am) “It’s fine that Trump won’t disavow Nazis because Obama once went to Germany”. Scale matters. The policy wasn’t sensible, it was despicable. The reaction was absolutely appropriate - again, it’s about decency. Also just a top tip - if you’re overtly pro-Brexit and pro-Trump I wouldn’t go around calling others ‘ill-informed’, it’s a little embarrassing for everyone involved.
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ChuFukka 10 Feb 19 11.55am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Neo Nazis, famous for their hatred of white people. Anti-white racists (lol) have caused approximately no deaths in the United States LTM. That isn’t true of far-right extremists. Let’s deal with the actual threat first, shall we, rather than some people on Twitter?
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Stirlingsays 10 Feb 19 12.22pm | |
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Originally posted by ChuFukka
Neo Nazis, famous for their hatred of white people. Anti-white racists (lol) have caused approximately no deaths in the United States LTM. That isn’t true of far-right extremists. Let’s deal with the actual threat first, shall we, rather than some people on Twitter?
Oh....lets deal with the 'racists' you don't like eh.....And who exactly are the people who are going to do that and decide who or who isn't a racist. When it comes to America....Not all Democrats are racist, but all anti white racists are Democrats.
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Stirlingsays 10 Feb 19 12.27pm | |
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Originally posted by ChuFukka
Neo Nazis, famous for their hatred of white people. Oh I see.....So when people call Tommy Robinson a Nazi....it's because he hates Jews then? Funny how he has a support base there then isn't it. So we are going to suddenly be accurate about what a neo Nazi actually is? It's nice to see that you are a student for accuracy. Originally posted by ChuFukka
Anti-white racists (lol) have caused approximately no deaths in the United States LTM. That isn’t true of far-right extremists. Let’s deal with the actual threat first, shall we, rather than some people on Twitter? Actually racially motivated deaths 'black on white' are quite common. To say no deaths have happened is very blinkered. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Feb 2019 12.51pm)
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ChrisGC Wantage 10 Feb 19 12.56pm | |
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Originally posted by ChuFukka
You’re right that ‘Trumpism’ isn’t a stand-alone thing, it’s part of a much broader, nastier populism funded by a small group of people that includes - but is not restricted to - Brexit. In the American context, however, there is absolutely utility in referring to Trumpism. When your policy includes separating children from parents and putting them in cages, quietly removing sanctions on Putin allies, stacking important regulatory bodies such as the EPA and FCC with industry stooges, and removing tax deductions from the poor so that private jets become deductible, then yes, opposing Trump is absolutely about decency. And I say that as someone who has benefited financially from Trump. When the Neo-Nazis are on your side, you’re getting something wrong. Trump didn't start the separation directive, it was a lot worse under Obama.
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Stirlingsays 10 Feb 19 12.59pm | |
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Originally posted by ChuFukka
“It’s fine that Trump won’t disavow Nazis because Obama once went to Germany”. Scale matters. The policy wasn’t sensible, it was despicable. The reaction was absolutely appropriate - again, it’s about decency. Also just a top tip - if you’re overtly pro-Brexit and pro-Trump I wouldn’t go around calling others ‘ill-informed’, it’s a little embarrassing for everyone involved. Sure scale matters but you said it was a false equivalence when it wasn't because no claim on proportionality was made.....It's simply a truth that Obama's administration did this....Just as it was a truth that the images used to attack Trump during this episode were taken during Obama's administration. As for saying the policy is despicable. Once illegal immigrants cross into the custody of a national border force, what happens to them, while in custody, then becomes the responsibility of that nation. Hence illegal acts that harm children might be carried out....they might be given drugs, sexually abused, physically harmed. The border force don't know whether the children with adults are related or not. Hence they are separated until this is found out. This is common sense.....how is it despicable?
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ChuFukka 10 Feb 19 1.06pm | |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
Trump didn't start the separation directive, it was a lot worse under Obama. The investigation which is still ongoing and has already generated 8 guilty pleas? Wait til Mueller releases his findings, I’ll be laughing at you even harder then.
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Stirlingsays 10 Feb 19 1.15pm | |
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Originally posted by ChuFukka
The investigation which is still ongoing and has already generated 8 guilty pleas? Wait til Mueller releases his findings, I’ll be laughing at you even harder then. None of those guilty pleas were 'Russian collusion' related. Make sure you are on the site then when those findings are released. I sure will be.
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Penge Eagle Beckenham 10 Feb 19 3.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I have neither the time nor the interest to educate you in these matters. They are all part of the public record so please do your own research. Ignore the propaganda arms of the "alternative facts" movement, otherwise known as Fox News or Breitbart, and look at the official records. Google is your friend. So far as Trump himself is concerned that research is very simple. No need for any filters. Just read his tweets and broadcasts and compare them with known facts. Translation: "I am unable to debate you, so I'm going to smear you as stupid and walk away".
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Feb 19 3.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Translation: "I am unable to debate you, so I'm going to smear you as stupid and walk away". Nope. I cannot be bothered as it would take time I haven't got. As the details are all available why on earth should I do something that you can do, if you are really genuinely interested to find out? If you truly believe that what I said isn't true then you can try to disprove it by producing your own evidence. Don't though just quote Trump's own claims, or anything from the comic books masquerading as news outlets, like Fox, Breitbart et al. They are no more than propaganda worthy of Goebbels. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (10 Feb 2019 4.04pm)
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