Sovereignty.

If the last 3 years have shown you anything, its that the UK parliament is a bigger f*** up than the EU.

And sovereignty means they get MORE power.

Worse trading arrangements, lack of access to police and terror data, chaos at the borders, recession, higher prices, lack of goods and medicine, uk manufacturers priced out of the market, job losses.

I certainly dont get why people have such a boner for brexit - its probably going to cause a huge recession.

The EU rejected May's solution of using technology away from the border as impractical. Barnier was asked what will happen to the border if the UK leaves under WTO rules and his solution is to use technology away from the border err...

I used the browser 'brave' last night to listen to it. I heard about half of it before that too seemed to stop working when I looked to continue this morning.

Anyway, he's obviously a very intelligent and engaging chap. He's obviously a remainer and comes across as a bit of an elitist.

Regardless, I can't say that his argument was inherently incorrect. Small majorities require compromises. What is a compromise and a capitulation are matters for subjective opinion.

However compromises were tried and were unsuccessful.

I find this sudden appreciation for compromise on the EU a bit rich considering leavers had been given nothing for forty years. No sunset clause, no votes on treaties, no compromises for forty years.

Where were the arguments for compromises a relationship with Europe that better reflected the population then? There wasn't.....then it was convenient to act as though the Uk was totally committed to the EU project when half the country wasn't.

I had never had previous issues with iplayer and in any case I'll try to listen to the rest of this excellent lecture.

Trying to negotiate a deal with the EU and the Irish border is our problem but leaving without a deal makes it their problem and it may even make them hurry up to tie up a trade deal with us

Apologies if I am going to come across as a bit of a lunatic but there is something seriously amiss at the moment.

We have a Conservative Leadership campaign underway in which the strongest message is being sent that if anybody who actually wins it decides to take us out of the EU without a deal, then other Conservative MP's will crash their own Government, opening the door for a Corbyn led Labour Party.

Supposedly the worst thing ever.

This is insanity. Absolute madness.

Also throw in what seems an elaborate attempt to undermine Corbyn (this expulsion of Alastair Campbell is beginning to not feel right either. Suspecting this about far, far more than him voting Lib-Dem) and I am wondering if we are on the verge of a cross-party coup.

Something along the lines of a national Government? An attempt to share the blame of revoking A50 or implementing a rigged second referendum?

Willing to accept all the abuse possible because I would be tempted to do so myself if somebody else were writing this, and it could well be me being me, but this is all stinking now to high heaven.

Remain Labour want rid of Corbyn. Remain Tories want rid of anybody who actually might see through on their manifesto promise. And the Brexit Party must be causing them to be needing a change of under pants because it upsets the entire apple-cart of Left/Right that our system is based on.

These b******s will stitch us all up if it means saving their careers and the jungle they play in.