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 Stirlingsays  28 May 19 3.36pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
So you believe people realised how much worse off they would be post Brexit? I don't. The economics was not properly explained and the people trusted populist statements. In addition, the people that voted are no longer the the same as the people who would live with the vote. The demographics have changed such that a Brexit vote now would be unlikely. Young people will refuse to be saddled with the lack of informed choice that drove the first vote. The longer the impasse lasts the more the voters will have changed. Blimey....what happened to Maple? Go on holiday?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 May 19 3.45pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
What a complete and utter load of tosh. The referendum was forwarded by a democratically elected government and had previous precedent. Its decision was again affirmed by the parliament of democratically elected MPs. You really have no position or right to present a case that the referendum result was not democratic.
That some people regard them as important is obvious, as is that the Politicians need to treat them seriously as a consequence. That though doesn't make them democratic because on their own they can have no impact at all in our system.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 28 May 19 3.47pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
What a complete and utter load of tosh. The referendum was forwarded by a democratically elected government and had previous precedent. Its decision was again affirmed by the parliament of democratically elected MPs. You really have no position or right to present a case that the referendum result was not democratic. He thinks he does because, like all cry babies, he throws his toys out of the pram if he doesn't get his own way.
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| Stirlingsays 28 May 19 3.51pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What is so hard about accepting the simple fact that referendums have no legal legitimacy in our system of representative democracy?
That is just an incorrect statement.
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| Stirlingsays 28 May 19 3.54pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
So you believe people realised how much worse off they would be post Brexit? I don't. The economics was not properly explained and the people trusted populist statements. In addition, the people that voted are no longer the the same as the people who would live with the vote. The demographics have changed such that a Brexit vote now would be unlikely. Young people will refuse to be saddled with the lack of informed choice that drove the first vote. The longer the impasse lasts the more the voters will have changed. You present two weak arguments here. Nice to see you labelling with 'populist' Maple.
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| Mapletree Croydon 28 May 19 4.07pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
As I said earlier in the thread, using your logic, Man City didn't actually win the Premiership at all because the aggregate points gained by all the other competing teams would have placed them bottom. You really are plumbing fresh depths of absurdity with this type of comment. Hi Cucking Nice to talk with you again, hope all is well with you and yours I believe I simply pointed out a logical flaw in a previous post, innit.
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| lefty27 ipswich 28 May 19 4.33pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I would urge you to think again. The referendum was NOT democratic. No referendum in the UK can be because referendums are not recognised in our system. What gave it democratic legitimacy were the commitments given to respect the result and the enactment of Article 50. However everyone, MPs included, are entitled to change their mind in the light of new knowledge or changed circumstances. Commitments can be withdrawn and Acts repealed. Rather than being a failure of our democracy what we are witnessing is a triumph of it, as the will of Parliament is being shown to be paramount. So this actually reflects very well on us as a democracy. It's just such a pity that so many don't understand this. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (28 May 2019 3.26pm) I agree in part with what you say, however both sides misrepresented the facts. That said no one really knows the long term economic effects Brexit will have on our economy and many don’t really care. This is the point that politicians are missing, most people I have spoken to didn’t vote based on economics. It was a sovereignty issue for most. I disagree but respect that.
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jeeagles  28 May 19 4.35pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Just heard a lawyer on this. Yet again Labour have shot themselves in the foot. The Human Rights commission will look at Labour's process for handling anti Semitism cases specifically are they handled fairly, with due process and in a reasonable time period COMPARED to other types of complaints. In other words if all types of complaints take 3 years that inefficient not racist. Within 1 day of Campbell tweeting he voted Lib Dem he is dismissed from the Labour party yet hundreds of anti semetic cases have still to be resolved. I get that this is Corbyn getting payback but it wont look good with the HR Commission because it shows that Labour can move into high gear when it wants to. Edited by Badger11 (28 May 2019 2.41pm) Second post today I agree with you on. There are a few politicians like Blair/Johnson/Campbell/Cameron who despite being unpopular can come up with soundbites that can destroy opponents. Seems like a stupid decision to pick a fight with with the "King of Spin".
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| Midlands Eagle 28 May 19 4.54pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
What's Ashley Giles got to do with it?
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| Midlands Eagle 28 May 19 4.57pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What is so hard about accepting the simple fact that referendums have no legal legitimacy in our system of representative democracy? That some people regard them as important is obvious, as is that the Politicians need to treat them seriously as a consequence. That though doesn't make them democratic because on their own they can have no impact at all in our system.
I see that the flat earther is still banging that same old drum
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| Stirlingsays 28 May 19 5.08pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Second post today I agree with you on. There are a few politicians like Blair/Johnson/Campbell/Cameron who despite being unpopular can come up with soundbites that can destroy opponents. Seems like a stupid decision to pick a fight with with the "King of Spin". King of Spain.
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| Maine Eagle USA 28 May 19 5.18pm |
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So lads, you want a no deal "WTO" exit. Does anyone understand what the really, really means? If you are advocating for it, enlighten me about what it means, how we get there, and why its better than the current trading setup.
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