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 ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Nov 20 3.03pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, there certainly do seem to be a lot of people on the left who seem to think that it's in everyone's interest to move towards a form of social credit score.....based entirely upon their own beliefs of course.....very authoritarian and very CPP. Perhaps we lost, but we never even fought.
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 becky  over the moon 15 Nov 20 3.14pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I The internet has brought us all closer in some ways but has also driven us apart in others. Regrettably, at least for a while, some control over content is essential. It's probably going to have to be ramped up in the coming years. Polishing up my cards, ready.......
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| Spiderman Horsham 15 Nov 20 3.18pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Polishing up my cards, ready....... Tease
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Nov 20 3.25pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Surely the reason for the way people respond to Trump (which is not "visceral hatred at all, but completely rational dislike mixed with both fear and sadness) is because the USA has been the beacon of democracy and it's President the leader of the western world. We live in an imperfect world. One in which we held the USA up as a model to those who continued to be ruled by dictators. To see at least a substantial minority support someone who has more in common with some of those dictators than the many great past Presidents is both disturbing and worrying.
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| Stirlingsays 15 Nov 20 3.29pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Perhaps we lost, but we never even fought. That's true in many senses. The old 'boil the frog' strategy.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Nov 20 3.38pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I don't agree with you on control over content....unless it's the old yelling 'fire' in a crowd and those limited restrictions like death threats. However, I do share your concerns to an extent...but view that as a necessary negative...a lesser evil. I contend that all speech should be subject to criticism regardless of its content as no one holds an objective truth or 'correct' anything....they only have worldviews.
It's certainly a necessary evil but least worse options often are. Just subjecting things to criticism is great in theory but, as we are witnessing, not really that useful in practice. There is no argument over the right of everyone to hold their own worldview but ultimately, if democracy is going to survive, the majority worldview has to be followed. If people are going to promote opinions which threaten that fundamental rock upon which our democracy is built then they might not simply need to be challenged but restrained. That applies to both extremes on the left and right. Refusing to accept the result of an election and encouraging your supporters to believe you, rather than the officials responsible, is tantamount to calling for a revolution. No democracy can tolerate that.
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Nov 20 3.46pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's certainly a necessary evil but least worse options often are. Just subjecting things to criticism is great in theory but, as we are witnessing, not really that useful in practice. There is no argument over the right of everyone to hold their own worldview but ultimately, if democracy is going to survive, the majority worldview has to be followed. If people are going to promote opinions which threaten that fundamental rock upon which our democracy is built then they might not simply need to be challenged but restrained. That applies to both extremes on the left and right. Refusing to accept the result of an election and encouraging your supporters to believe you, rather than the officials responsible, is tantamount to calling for a revolution. No democracy can tolerate that. Whereas of course, it was essentially revolutions that created democracy.
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Teddy Eagle  15 Nov 20 3.57pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Surely the reason for the way people respond to Trump (which is not "visceral hatred at all, but completely rational dislike mixed with both fear and sadness) is because the USA has been the beacon of democracy and it's President the leader of the western world. We live in an imperfect world. One in which we held the USA up as a model to those who continued to be ruled by dictators. To see at least a substantial minority support someone who has more in common with some of those dictators than the many great past Presidents is both disturbing and worrying. Visceral: Being or arising from impulse or sudden emotion rather than from thought or deliberation.
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| Spiderman Horsham 15 Nov 20 4.44pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Surely the reason for the way people respond to Trump (which is not "visceral hatred at all, but completely rational dislike mixed with both fear and sadness) is because the USA has been the beacon of democracy and it's President the leader of the western world. We live in an imperfect world. One in which we held the USA up as a model to those who continued to be ruled by dictators. To see at least a substantial minority support someone who has more in common with some of those dictators than the many great past Presidents is both disturbing and worrying. As a matter of interest which dictators do you think Trump has more in common with? Personally I think this statement takes your hatred of Trump to a whole new level
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| silvertop Portishead 15 Nov 20 5.07pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Visceral: Being or arising from impulse or sudden emotion rather than from thought or deliberation. That's not what he said.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 15 Nov 20 5.11pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
As a matter of interest which dictators do you think Trump has more in common with? Personally I think this statement takes your hatred of Trump to a whole new level Trump is a 'dead' ringer' for Mussolini, even did the balcony scene.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 15 Nov 20 5.28pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Trump is a 'dead' ringer' for Mussolini, even did the balcony scene. Oh, how you Leftists love your daft fascist references. WW2 has been largely responsible for allowing the Left an excuse to ruin the West.
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