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Penge Eagle Beckenham 09 Feb 19 5.43pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle This is pretty much the same kind of ill-informed nonsense you find all over Trump supporting groups in the USA, being fed to them by Fox and Breitbart and parroted by Trump himself. It just isn't true. The US economy has been on an upward curve for several years and was started during the Obama administration. Economies take years to react to stimuli and Trump's impact is only now taking effect. The markets are down as a consequence as nervousness overtakes optimism. Why? His tax cuts have added hugely to their debt without trickling down into the economy as they enrich the wealthy and not the poor. His tariff wars worry markets and hurt consumers. All of this whilst ignoring climate change and consequently storing up huge problems for future generations. The man is not just brash. He is also narcissistic, ignorant and dangerous. This post is all hot air and speculation with zero substance. Hit me with some facts. Oh no, you can't because you have nothing to back up your ridiculous assertions that are full of hatred of an individual.
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Beckenham 09 Feb 19 5.43pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This is pretty much the same kind of ill-informed nonsense you find all over Trump supporting groups in the USA, being fed to them by Fox and Breitbart and parroted by Trump himself.

It just isn't true. The US economy has been on an upward curve for several years and was started during the Obama administration. Economies take years to react to stimuli and Trump's impact is only now taking effect. The markets are down as a consequence as nervousness overtakes optimism.

Why? His tax cuts have added hugely to their debt without trickling down into the economy as they enrich the wealthy and not the poor. His tariff wars worry markets and hurt consumers. All of this whilst ignoring climate change and consequently storing up huge problems for future generations.

The man is not just brash. He is also narcissistic, ignorant and dangerous.

This post is all hot air and speculation with zero substance.

Hit me with some facts. Oh no, you can't because you have nothing to back up your ridiculous assertions that are full of hatred of an individual.

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ChuFukka 09 Feb 19 5.49pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle This post is all hot air and speculation with zero substance. Hit me with some facts. Oh no, you can't because you have nothing to back up your ridiculous assertions that are full of hatred of an individual. A quick Google will confirm literally everything he said. Trumpism is an ideology borne of hate, of fear & of backlash against an amorphous, poorly-defined ‘elite’ (which ultimately boils down to ‘people who don’t agree’). Standing against that has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with common, human decency. Do better.
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09 Feb 19 5.49pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

This post is all hot air and speculation with zero substance.

Hit me with some facts. Oh no, you can't because you have nothing to back up your ridiculous assertions that are full of hatred of an individual.

A quick Google will confirm literally everything he said. Trumpism is an ideology borne of hate, of fear & of backlash against an amorphous, poorly-defined ‘elite’ (which ultimately boils down to ‘people who don’t agree’). Standing against that has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with common, human decency. Do better.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 09 Feb 19 5.53pm
Originally posted by ChuFukka A quick Google will confirm literally everything he said. Trumpism is an ideology borne of hate, of fear & of backlash against an amorphous, poorly-defined ‘elite’ (which ultimately boils down to ‘people who don’t agree’). Standing against that has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with common, human decency. Do better. Give me some facts to back up your claims. Otherwise you're just spouting an opinion "borne of hate, of fear".
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Beckenham 09 Feb 19 5.53pm

Originally posted by ChuFukka

Give me some facts to back up your claims. Otherwise you're just spouting an opinion "borne of hate, of fear".

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ChrisGC Wantage 09 Feb 19 5.55pm
Originally posted by ChuFukka A quick Google will confirm literally everything he said. Trumpism is an ideology borne of hate, of fear & of backlash against an amorphous, poorly-defined ‘elite’ (which ultimately boils down to ‘people who don’t agree’). Standing against that has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with common, human decency. Do better. It doesn't. Opinion pieces by the guardian and CNN don't count. The facts are that employment across the board is at a record high and the stock exchange at record value. Trumpism isn't a real thing, it's a construct of his opponents. Standing against Trump has nothing to do with human decency, it's personal bias: which you are justly entitled to. You don't like him or his policies and that's fair enough.
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Wantage 09 Feb 19 5.55pm

Originally posted by ChuFukka

It doesn't. Opinion pieces by the guardian and CNN don't count.

The facts are that employment across the board is at a record high and the stock exchange at record value.

Trumpism isn't a real thing, it's a construct of his opponents.

Standing against Trump has nothing to do with human decency, it's personal bias: which you are justly entitled to. You don't like him or his policies and that's fair enough.

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Biker Eagle Holmesdale Road 09 Feb 19 6.29pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Trump's wall. $5.8 is peanuts to the US economy' by Penge Eagle Surely this is a paltry amount to the US economy? How is this relatively small amount causing a Government shut down? You would have thought they could just reallocate some defence spending which is huge.
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Holmesdale Road 09 Feb 19 6.29pm

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Trump's wall. $5.8 is peanuts to the US economy' by Penge Eagle

Surely this is a paltry amount to the US economy?
How is this relatively small amount causing a Government shut down? You would have thought they could just reallocate some defence spending which is huge.

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Biker Eagle Holmesdale Road 09 Feb 19 6.35pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Trump's wall. $5.8 is peanuts to the US economy' by Penge Eagle Title should read $5.8 billion.
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Holmesdale Road 09 Feb 19 6.35pm

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Trump's wall. $5.8 is peanuts to the US economy' by Penge Eagle

Title should read $5.8 billion.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 09 Feb 19 7.17pm
Yep, it's a paltry 0.11% of federal spending.
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Beckenham 09 Feb 19 7.17pm

Yep, it's a paltry 0.11% of federal spending.

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ChrisGC Wantage 09 Feb 19 7.20pm
Originally posted by Biker Eagle This post has been merged from a topic called 'Trump's wall. .8 is peanuts to the US economy' by Penge Eagle Surely this is a paltry amount to the US economy? How is this relatively small amount causing a Government shut down? You would have thought they could just reallocate some defence spending which is huge. The shoutdown has ended and was more about peacocking than policy. The Dems are claiming victory, which seems correct on the face of it. I've not seen a reliable poll (does one exist?), but some are claiming Trump's approval was hit, others Pellosi's. Trump gave ground due to the air traffic controller "sick" strike (supposedly), although he could have just fired (no rehire) them like Reagan did. Personally, I think it was mission accomplished for Trump. He doesn't want to deliver boarder security too quickly as he'll use this for his 2020 push along with the anti-socialism card as signalled at the SOTU address. The Dems look obstructive long term, Trump's bid for 2020 strengthens, his popularity wasn't at risk among his own, nor was it in danger of increasing from the left. Pellosi missed a couple of tricks to cash in and take advantage public perception wise, instead she took a couple of personal cheap shots. The Dems fell into the trap of having leisure time during the shut down whilst trump made sure he was seen to be working hard...
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Wantage 09 Feb 19 7.20pm

Originally posted by Biker Eagle

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Trump's wall. .8 is peanuts to the US economy' by Penge Eagle

The shoutdown has ended and was more about peacocking than policy.

The Dems are claiming victory, which seems correct on the face of it. I've not seen a reliable poll (does one exist?), but some are claiming Trump's approval was hit, others Pellosi's.

Trump gave ground due to the air traffic controller "sick" strike (supposedly), although he could have just fired (no rehire) them like Reagan did.

Personally, I think it was mission accomplished for Trump. He doesn't want to deliver boarder security too quickly as he'll use this for his 2020 push along with the anti-socialism card as signalled at the SOTU address. The Dems look obstructive long term, Trump's bid for 2020 strengthens, his popularity wasn't at risk among his own, nor was it in danger of increasing from the left.

Pellosi missed a couple of tricks to cash in and take advantage public perception wise, instead she took a couple of personal cheap shots. The Dems fell into the trap of having leisure time during the shut down whilst trump made sure he was seen to be working hard...

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ChuFukka 10 Feb 19 9.18am
Originally posted by ChrisGC It doesn't. Opinion pieces by the guardian and CNN don't count. The facts are that employment across the board is at a record high and the stock exchange at record value. Trumpism isn't a real thing, it's a construct of his opponents. Standing against Trump has nothing to do with human decency, it's personal bias: which you are justly entitled to. You don't like him or his policies and that's fair enough. You’re right that ‘Trumpism’ isn’t a stand-alone thing, it’s part of a much broader, nastier populism funded by a small group of people that includes - but is not restricted to - Brexit. In the American context, however, there is absolutely utility in referring to Trumpism. When your policy includes separating children from parents and putting them in cages, quietly removing sanctions on Putin allies, stacking important regulatory bodies such as the EPA and FCC with industry stooges, and removing tax deductions from the poor so that private jets become deductible, then yes, opposing Trump is absolutely about decency. And I say that as someone who has benefited financially from Trump. When the Neo-Nazis are on your side, you’re getting something wrong.
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ChuFukka

10 Feb 19 9.18am

Originally posted by ChrisGC

It doesn't. Opinion pieces by the guardian and CNN don't count.

The facts are that employment across the board is at a record high and the stock exchange at record value.

Trumpism isn't a real thing, it's a construct of his opponents.

Standing against Trump has nothing to do with human decency, it's personal bias: which you are justly entitled to. You don't like him or his policies and that's fair enough.

You’re right that ‘Trumpism’ isn’t a stand-alone thing, it’s part of a much broader, nastier populism funded by a small group of people that includes - but is not restricted to - Brexit. In the American context, however, there is absolutely utility in referring to Trumpism.

When your policy includes separating children from parents and putting them in cages, quietly removing sanctions on Putin allies, stacking important regulatory bodies such as the EPA and FCC with industry stooges, and removing tax deductions from the poor so that private jets become deductible, then yes, opposing Trump is absolutely about decency. And I say that as someone who has benefited financially from Trump. When the Neo-Nazis are on your side, you’re getting something wrong.

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cryrst The garden of England 10 Feb 19 9.48am
Originally posted by ChuFukka You’re right that ‘Trumpism’ isn’t a stand-alone thing, it’s part of a much broader, nastier populism funded by a small group of people that includes - but is not restricted to - Brexit. In the American context, however, there is absolutely utility in referring to Trumpism. When your policy includes separating children from parents and putting them in cages, quietly removing sanctions on Putin allies, stacking important regulatory bodies such as the EPA and FCC with industry stooges, and removing tax deductions from the poor so that private jets become deductible, then yes, opposing Trump is absolutely about decency. And I say that as someone who has benefited financially from Trump. When the Neo-Nazis are on your side, you’re getting something wrong. Obama seperated familiies so its not a new thing
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The garden of England 10 Feb 19 9.48am

Originally posted by ChuFukka

Obama seperated familiies so its not a new thing

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ChuFukka 10 Feb 19 10.51am
Originally posted by cryrst Obama seperated familiies so its not a new thing False equivalence. [Link]
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ChuFukka

10 Feb 19 10.51am

Originally posted by cryrst

Obama seperated familiies so its not a new thing

False equivalence.

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Stirlingsays 10 Feb 19 11.09am
Originally posted by ChuFukka False equivalence. [Link] It's not a 'false equivalence' because cryrst didn't claim that the scale was the same. It still happened and the actual policy is and was sensible. The response of the Democratic media wasn't only illogical but it was highly ill informed. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Feb 2019 11.11am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Feb 19 11.09am