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 Maine Eagle  USA 27 May 19 1.52am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
This will need time for more serious analysis.
And leavers from anywhere and everywhere voted brexit party. Agree, but initial data shows a cumulative win for remain parties here.
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| Stirlingsays 27 May 19 1.58am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
And leavers from anywhere and everywhere voted brexit party. Agree, but initial data shows a cumulative win for remain parties here. No that's not accurate. Soft leavers would still have voted for Labour due to their policy of actually leaving. What is true is that no 'no deal' voters would have voted Labour. The real split between leave and remain isn't really knowable and that was always the case with Labour's position.
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| Maine Eagle USA 27 May 19 2.06am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
No that's not accurate. Soft leavers would still have voted for Labour due to their policy of actually leaving. What is true is that no 'no deal' voters would have voted Labour. One thing which is clear is that there is no majority whatsoever for a no deal crash out of the EU.
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| Stirlingsays 27 May 19 2.14am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
One thing which is clear is that there is no majority whatsoever for a no deal crash out of the EU. Depends what you mean by majority. It's probably the single most popular option amongst voters. Regardless something's going to happen in October....leave, remain or a bacon sandwich. Personally I'm starting to think that some form of soft Brexit will happen.....but that's just an impression. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2019 2.16am)
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| Maine Eagle USA 27 May 19 2.22am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Depends what you mean by majority. It's probably the single most popular option amongst voters. Regardless something's going to happen in October....leave, remain or a bacon sandwich. Personally I'm starting to think that some form of soft Brexit will happen.....but that's just an impression. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2019 2.16am) If you assume no ‘no deal’ supporters voted labor, lib dem, change or green, and only some who voted conservative in addition to the vast majority of Brexit voters (but not all) and ukip, then the answer is clear that the single most popular option would be to revoke article 50 rather than crash out, assuming it’s no deal or revoke.
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| Stirlingsays 27 May 19 2.29am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
If you assume no ‘no deal’ supporters voted labor, lib dem, change or green, and only some who voted conservative in addition to the vast majority of Brexit voters (but not all) and ukip, then the answer is clear that the single most popular option would be to revoke article 50 rather than crash out, assuming it’s no deal or revoke. I honestly don't know. All I do know is that when it comes to MEP votes, Farage is going to have the biggest party by some margin. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2019 2.30am)
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| Invalid user 2019 27 May 19 2.53am |
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A result that can be interpreted many ways and tells us little about what the people want as a whole. The key take home is that both Labour and the Conservatives got the hammering they deserved for not really listening to their voters. I wouldn't call this a vote for 'No Deal', but nor would I call it a vote for 'Remain' either. Corbyn came second to the Liberal Democrats in his own constituency too. The new Tory leader has a tricky task on his hands, but then so does the EU since it's being acknowledged that there is something of a shake up in many European countries. If the EU had offered member countries more autonomy over immigration numbers it's unlikely we or it would be in this situation to begin with.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 27 May 19 6.43am |
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My thoughts, some votes are still to be counted. Labour and especially the Tories were crushed. At the last GE they got 80% of the vote between them this time it looks like around 24%. Brexit party just 6 weeks old swept all before. The politicians had better pay attention. Lib Dems gobbled up the Remain vote. The Greens have done well again. UKIP collapsed. As I have said previously we don't vote for extremists in this country so all the nonsense about the rise of the far right* is just that. Change UK. Who? They're slogan should be we want Change by remaining the same. No surprise they failed I think the voters saw them for what they were a bunch of bitter losers from both parties. So what now. Tories, worst election ever. If I was a Tory MP on a small majority and wanting to save my job I would be thinking warm and fuzzy thoughts about Boris. None of the other candidates have brand recognition I am not sure he would be a good PM but for the Tories this is about damage limitation. Labour. Last night Emily Thornberry said "the results show we need a second referendum". Really Emily is that what you take from this? Lord Adonis at least had the good sense to refuse to speak to the media. My guess is that for once Corbyn is actually right I think a GE may happen before the year is out with a new Tory leader and possibly a new Labour leader.
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| Spiderman Horsham 27 May 19 7.15am |
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But the mainstream leaders say they will not co-operate with far-right groups who 'do not believe in the future of the European Union', in spite of their huge gains. Sums up the EU really doesn't it. Will not accept any result/party that doesn't suit their agenda
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cpfc_chap  koh samui 27 May 19 7.37am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
And leavers from anywhere and everywhere voted brexit party. Agree, but initial data shows a cumulative win for remain parties here. I would imagine many leave votes wouldn't have bother voting due to us already having a referendum to leave which the government have not yet acted on! Where as the remainers would have been out in numbers to prove there love for the EU!
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| Badger11 Beckenham 27 May 19 7.50am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
If you assume no ‘no deal’ supporters voted labor, lib dem, change or green, and only some who voted conservative in addition to the vast majority of Brexit voters (but not all) and ukip, then the answer is clear that the single most popular option would be to revoke article 50 rather than crash out, assuming it’s no deal or revoke. It's not a referendum but I think you have to go on the party manifesto's rather that on what you think people voted for. On that basis Labour is Brexit until they change their policy. So far it looks like this: Brexit Parties %: Brexit party 32 Total 58 Remain % Total 33 It would be a lot clearer for the public if Labour became a a pro remain party but right now you have to go with their official party policy.
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| Midlands Eagle 27 May 19 8.07am |
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Originally posted by cpfc_chap
I disagree as I think that most leavers would have voted for Brexit Party as a lesson to Parliament as to what we want with Remainers voting Lib Dem or Green in desperation to try and get another referendum
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