Unless something changes soon the civilian death toll is likely to be way higher than any current propaganda anywhere.

When disease and starvation really starts to kick in (children are dying already from starvation), the death numbers will really push-on. Already people not only dead from direct military action, but lack of medical facilities, exposure, and probably unexploded ordnance.
Hamas and the UN are the only ones really publishing any real (guesstimate) casualty figures and they make unpleasant reading.

I disengage, I turn the page.

Agree - I think 30,000 is pretty conservative based on the scale of the destruction, and when the rubble clears and the famine starts to talk hold, I expect the numbers will dwarf the current estimates.

Of course it’s much easier for those who support this ongoing massacre to simply ignore that (it can’t really credibly be refuted I don’t think) and revert back to talking about Hamas liking death or something similar.

What do you think Hamas were trying to achieve on 7th October?

There seems to be an obsession with some posters to concentrate solely on the actions of Hamas and avoid criticism of anything done by Israel.

Leaving aside the historical reasons for the animosity can we agree that Hamas is a terrorist organisation whose actions on October 7th were unconscionable and deliberately engineered to provoke Israel. They care little or nothing about their own civilian casualties, seeing them as collateral damage in a holy war.

As such Hamas can be said to be responsible for everything that has happened, both on October 7th and subsequently.

That though does not excuse Israel and it’s their response which is now rightly the focus. They are part of the western world. Developed, progressive and responsible. They are not though behaving like us, but in a tyrannical way with no regard for the innocent. They have been sucked in to adopting a blitzkreig approach, flattening everything that stands in their way. They have already won this war. That was achieved as soon as they decided to go in, with the overwhelming strength they possess. They have though almost certainly lost the peace, having destroyed many relationships and trust. All because Netanyahu fears losing his control and the probable internal retribution that will come his way.

So can we concentrate on Israel. What must they do now?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

You are wasting your time Sir

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.