It's a picture of a car with holes in the window, has this guy been shot? In any case it is a war and I'm not surprised if someone who sides with the enemy is shot.

I would condone no innocent being attacked.

Still, it has to be added that when a country is under siege with innocent men, women and children pummeled with limited ability to defend themselves, it is a dangerous time for propagandists with only Russian interests in mind. That's the reality.

You'll notice that those who are immediately and perpetually skeptical of bombs dropped on innocent Ukranian citizens, murdered men, women and children etc are far more eager to just 'go with' whatever crimes Ukrainians may or may not be guilty of during the course of this barbaric invasion.

When I posted a video of an Elderly Ukranian couples car riddled with bullets (and actual video and location info of it actually happening) it was greeted with CSI level, 'we need an independent investigation' talk.

Some of those endlessly looking at this from a Russian perspective here, have no vague ability to muster allegiance to anyone to anything, so they're hardly going to look at this in reasoned light. What kind of moral degenerates primarily reserve their criticism for those currently fighting for survival? Shall we look into the criminal record of those hanging on and hiding under the Mariupol steelworks while we're at it?

Edited by BlueJay (21 Apr 2022 5.49pm)

Our media is awash with pro Ukrainian and anti Russian propaganda.

If anyone so much as points this out the criticism is omitting many crimes being carried out the claim is made that they are 'pro Russian'.

For myself, I have made it clear right from the start that Russia is responsible for starting this war. I have also made it clear that Putin's regime is more like a mafia state and I don't support its repression of free speech. However, Zelensky's regime was also repressive. Russia's people are also being told narratives, just as ours is.

But if you point out that what is being presented in the coverage is not the whole truth and that both sides are committing crimes it seems the tin foil comes out and suddenly you're pro Russia.

The idea that Stirlingsays supports Russia, would be absurd to anyone who's read my posts since 2009.

Well feck Putin and feck anyone deliberately killing any innocent human being.

When I feel that crimes aren't being reported out of suppression, I will point that out.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I don't think those sorts of cars were around in their time.

Some have become so anti Western due to what they perceive the direction of travel as being, that this is exploited by their 'media outlets' and basement pundits of choice to the point where they just drink everything else in, and parrot it back out. They are perfect outlets for Kremlin propaganda, and we have direct instances of that on here, where they are suddenly outraged by Putin seeded takes that are based on nothing and are of little relevance.

They rarely criticise the fact that Russians cannot even view or hold opinions on this war (or rather 'Special military operation') and why that might be the case... It is of course because the realities of an invasion and pummeling of a country and its people largely speaks for itself, and heavy 'Ukrainian crimes' emphasis on events, is an much distraction as it is farce.

W12s post on the previous page was so remarkably out there and attacking on the west and Ukranian 'scum' defending their country as civilians are blown to pieces that it makes you question what on earth is going on with the bloke. And yet you see no criticism of any of it by those interested in 'both sides'. Probably because they aren't.

Edited by BlueJay (21 Apr 2022 6.16pm)

Oh yeah, sounds like it. Delusional.