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Mapletree Croydon 20 Aug 19 5.48pm | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by cryrst
Are these proved in a court of law. Some are, some are still under investigation. Read the links. Then talk to a few people around here that lived at Shirley Oaks if you want to know how it feels. Except they won't talk.
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by cryrst
Are these proved in a court of law. Yes we wouldn't want people casting aspersions while court cases are ongoing
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Mapletree Croydon 20 Aug 19 6.04pm | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So we must treat rapists differently depending on their religion? You bend over backward to downplay the relationship between rape gangs, religion, nationality and above all immigration. You indulge in whataboutery, diversion, and pedantry at every turn to blur the truth. It seems that you want to defend immigrant cultures and the idea of multi culture at all and any cost. Stupid post, as usual. No, we don't treat them differently. We call out EVERY, SINGLE, ONE. We don't use the facts as a tool to make points about race. But we do learn how each type of abuser operates. There are a myriad of different ways abuse happens. Gangs preying on teenage girls appears to have been largely a pakistani issue, albeit not exclusively. When you look at the bigger picture other races have abused in different ways. Africans have history of using Juju for example, as has been on TV relating to Sicily. And English, Welsh, Northern Irish and Scottish born people have history of using the establishment, getting into care settings for example. This from Wikipedia: The true number of offences remains doubtful, generally assumed to be larger, due to expected unreported cases of child abuse. Some 90% of the sexually abused children were abused by people who they knew, and about one out of every three abused children did not tell anyone else about it. The vast majority of child sex offenders in England and Wales are male, with men representing 98% of all defendants in 2015/16, and white, with whites representing 85% of convicted child sex offenders and 86% of the general population in 2011. So, when you talk about abusers I would be obliged if you would be objective and remember ALL of the instances and type of instance instead of stating categorically that this is a Muslim issue. If you only focus on one type of abuser then I shall assume that you actually don't want anyone focusing on all the other perpetrators and wonder why.
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Stirlingsays 20 Aug 19 6.38pm | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle It often gets forgotten that Robinson's anti Islamic stuff was never originally based just upon rape gangs but was an holistic judgement upon the compatibility of the mainstream religion and his and other's vision for this country. Yet apparently it's just the rapes....not the terrorism, increased criminality, acid attacks, honour killings, increased welfare, anti western sentiment, real anti semitism, violence towards apostates and gays and parallel societies with their own legal resolutions.......No....just the rapes apparently. Looking into the rape gang stuff more deeply I find that the first to start saying this stuff was Nick Griffin and the BNP. I'm a nationalist but I don't believe that the BNP are the correct model to use for it. Anyway, back in 2009 when interviewed by the Times (how ironic) Griffin is quoted thus: The divisions are already there. They were created by that monstrous experiment: the multi-cultural destruction of old Britain. There is no clash between the indigenous population and, for instance, settled West Indians, Sikhs and Hindus. There is, however, an enormous correlation between high BNP votes and nearby Islamic populations. The reason for that is nothing to do with Islamophobia; it is issues such as the grooming of young English girls for sex by a criminal minority of the Muslim population ... I am now there to give political articulation to the concerns of the mainly indigenous population. The ethnic populations have always had Labour to speak up for them. Finally their neighbours have got someone who speaks up for them. Funny how it's the Times who years later 'broke' the story.....that they had been hearing for years......But apparently that's not the state's or our cowardly, and in my view criminal institution's fault and no credit should go to the people who were telling us the truth years and years before and have been punished for it. The truth isn't valued in this country, those who speak it are punished. Sigh. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Aug 2019 6.51pm)
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cryrst The garden of England 20 Aug 19 6.47pm | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by dollardays
Yes we wouldn't want people casting aspersions while court cases are ongoing Well?
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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Aug 19 6.51pm | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Mapletree
Stupid post, as usual. No, we don't treat them differently. We call out EVERY, SINGLE, ONE. We don't use the facts as a tool to make points about race. But we do learn how each type of abuser operates. There are a myriad of different ways abuse happens. Gangs preying on teenage girls appears to have been largely a pakistani issue, albeit not exclusively. When you look at the bigger picture other races have abused in different ways. Africans have history of using Juju for example, as has been on TV relating to Sicily. And English, Welsh, Northern Irish and Scottish born people have history of using the establishment, getting into care settings for example. This from Wikipedia: The true number of offences remains doubtful, generally assumed to be larger, due to expected unreported cases of child abuse. Some 90% of the sexually abused children were abused by people who they knew, and about one out of every three abused children did not tell anyone else about it. The vast majority of child sex offenders in England and Wales are male, with men representing 98% of all defendants in 2015/16, and white, with whites representing 85% of convicted child sex offenders and 86% of the general population in 2011. So, when you talk about abusers I would be obliged if you would be objective and remember ALL of the instances and type of instance instead of stating categorically that this is a Muslim issue. If you only focus on one type of abuser then I shall assume that you actually don't want anyone focusing on all the other perpetrators and wonder why. The left wing press is doing their best blur the reality. There are two simple reasons why the recent rape gang plague is significant. One because authorities initially did nothing about it because of the fear of being branded racist, and two, that the number of pakistani Muslims involved were vastly disproportionate to their numbers in Britain. They only make up 1% of the population. Your constant efforts to mislead about this tell us exactly you are. An apologist.
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Mapletree Croydon 20 Aug 19 7.07pm | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The left wing press is doing their best blur the reality. There are two simple reasons why the recent rape gang plague is significant. One because authorities initially did nothing about it because of the fear of being branded racist, and two, that the number of pakistani Muslims involved were vastly disproportionate to their numbers in Britain. They only make up 1% of the population. Your constant efforts to mislead about this tell us exactly you are. An apologist. I already said grooming gangs is a largely pakistani issue. It is disgraceful using this topic - of all topics - to further your agenda on race. Just like your hero in his Robinson alter ego. Every race has history here. You just can't be bothered and apparently don't care about all the other cases. You carry on ignoring all the other cases under your nose because white people don't abuse children, right? I apologise for nothing and nobody unless I have done something wrong. There is no apology for anyone that abuses children. Just stop letting all the others off because you want to make Muslims look like the bad guys. Every group has the bad guys but you just don't care.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 20 Aug 19 7.28pm | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Mapletree
I already said grooming gangs is a largely pakistani issue. It is disgraceful using this topic - of all topics - to further your agenda on race. Just like your hero in his Robinson alter ego. Every race has history here. You just can't be bothered and apparently don't care about all the other cases. You carry on ignoring all the other cases under your nose because white people don't abuse children, right? I apologise for nothing and nobody unless I have done something wrong. There is no apology for anyone that abuses children. Just stop letting all the others off because you want to make Muslims look like the bad guys. Every group has the bad guys but you just don't care. do muslim gangs bully non-muslims in prison ?
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Stirlingsays 20 Aug 19 7.40pm | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Mapletree
I already said grooming gangs is a largely pakistani issue. It is disgraceful using this topic - of all topics - to further your agenda on race. Just like your hero in his Robinson alter ego. Every race has history here. You just can't be bothered and apparently don't care about all the other cases. You carry on ignoring all the other cases under your nose because white people don't abuse children, right? I apologise for nothing and nobody unless I have done something wrong. There is no apology for anyone that abuses children. Just stop letting all the others off because you want to make Muslims look like the bad guys. Every group has the bad guys but you just don't care. No mainstream Islam here equals less child abuse both in statistics and on average.....and with all the other areas that I spoke about. A lot at the lack of terror crimes in eastern Europe speaks volumes. You have never supported a restrictive immigration policy so I do think it valid to send criticism towards all those that support immigration from the middle east. And indeed, immigration that isn't strictly merit based and controlled on numbers. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Aug 2019 7.41pm)
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Mapletree Croydon 20 Aug 19 10.06pm | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Stirlingsays
No mainstream Islam here equals less child abuse both in statistics and on average.....and with all the other areas that I spoke about. A lot at the lack of terror crimes in eastern Europe speaks volumes. You have never supported a restrictive immigration policy so I do think it valid to send criticism towards all those that support immigration from the middle east. And indeed, immigration that isn't strictly merit based and controlled on numbers. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Aug 2019 7.41pm) The one and only time I have commented on here about non-EU immigration I stated we are going to have to deal with it. I take the same view as David Attenborough. I have also commented about the difficulty of getting work permits for key workers, notably mental health nurses. We are in a position where such people are needed and have to be properly looked after. This is, however, a total non-sequitur. The issue of child abuse is being used to make political capital in an unacceptable way. I object most strongly to that. To deal with issues you need to understand them correctly and dispassionately. Mobilising a racial or religious agenda obscures the truth.
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Stirlingsays 20 Aug 19 10.18pm | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Mapletree
The one and only time I have commented on here about non-EU immigration I stated we are going to have to deal with it. I take the same view as David Attenborough. I have also commented about the difficulty of getting work permits for key workers, notably mental health nurses. We are in a position where such people are needed and have to be properly looked after. This is, however, a total non-sequitur. The issue of child abuse is being used to make political capital in an unacceptable way. I object most strongly to that. To deal with issues you need to understand them correctly and dispassionately. Mobilising a racial or religious agenda obscures the truth. I can't say that I agree with any of that. You are your learn to enjoy the 's***e sandwich'. We need a Salvini or Orban here, none of the other types are going to do bugger all.....but I might as well wish for Kate Bush to lose thirty years. As for Attenborough....he's moaned about the very thing he's been a part of enabling.....same as dear old Cleese. Some of those thoughts would have been useful to express back when it actually mattered. Anyway with Attenbrough.....I'd always preferred the gorillas.
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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Aug 19 8.44am | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle do Originally posted by Mapletree
I already said grooming gangs is a largely pakistani issue. It is disgraceful using this topic - of all topics - to further your agenda on race. Just like your hero in his Robinson alter ego. Every race has history here. You just can't be bothered and apparently don't care about all the other cases. You carry on ignoring all the other cases under your nose because white people don't abuse children, right? I apologise for nothing and nobody unless I have done something wrong. There is no apology for anyone that abuses children. Just stop letting all the others off because you want to make Muslims look like the bad guys. Every group has the bad guys but you just don't care. They are doing a good job of that by themselves. The fact that you keep mentioning Robinson and other historical abuse cases just illustrates your desire to shift the emphasis.
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