Noted and understood that your comments last night weren't actually responding to the post of mine made immediately before your response and included by you as the only prior post above your response,as opposed to much earlier posts you say you were in fact responding to and had already previously responded to,I think.

I agree people can make up their own minds and if some think you have hit the nail on the head or scored a TKO, well,everyone is entitled to their opinion.Others may or may not form a different opinion.

But the issue itself (as opposed to anything relating to you and me) has IMO an inherent "TKO" of its own.If an individual asserts they have concerns about EU immigrants settling here,because amongst other things, of cultural differences from people living in England/the UK , and where the majority of such immigrants are caucasians (using the common UK understanding of the term) of the same "race" as both the majority of the population already living in England/The UK and the individual in question, it is hard to see how such concerns could possibly amount to racism since "race" wouldn't enter into the equation,as opposed to ethnicity (culture/history etc) which plainly would.

But,if other posters disagree and think an allegation of racism is even possible to imply(or be inferred) from use of the term "ethnicity" in criticising a person expressing concerns relating to cultural differences of immigrants who are generally of the same "race" as that person,that's entirely a matter for them.

You and I disagree about UKIP, its merits and whether it is part of the solution or part of the problem,but regardless of that,I trust you would agree that not every criticism of a UKIP supporter's views on immigration and cultural differences can be legitimately and automatically responded to by suggesting the critic is alleging racism (though I am sure you would accept there have been worrying instances of some UKIP supporters and politicians expressing views that might reasonably be termed racist). There are,IMO, plenty of other reasons for criticising UKIP, but that's another matter for another post or poster

But,I agree Stirling,enough between you and me about who said what. Otherwise,we may both have a legitimate technical knock out against us on grounds of boredom

Edited by legaleagle (18 Feb 2015 11.10pm)

Sure they did. Its just confirming the clichéd caricature I mentioned in the first post of these little Alf Garnett / Old man Steptoe types which is the strategy that's been employed rather than actually taking their concerns on immigration seriously.

If there were hordes of Eastern European politicians waiting at Sangatte or flying in from Lodz, willing to sit in the Commons for twice the time and half the money instead of them being plumbers they might have understood where these people are coming from on immigration.

In reality they are Labour voters by class, Tory by experience and tend to be the people who win or lose you general elections. As Labour / Tories are now finding out as they seem to be the most fertile ground for UKIP

Unlike those in the enclaves of the likes of Henley in the blue corner or Sunderland in the Red, where you can, by shaving a monkey, sticking the right coloured rosette guarantees victory they will flip flop between parties dependant on how good / sh*t their personal circumstances have been under the current regime.

Edited by The Sash (19 Feb 2015 10.39am)

Thoughts on this coverage: [Link]

Purely gunning for UKIP or further support that those with these kind of views are more likely to support this party? Or both.

Edited by imbored (19 Feb 2015 3.42pm)

Purely gunning for UKIP imho.

Over privileged public schoolboy is racist is hardly a shocker

Given the amount of pictures Farage has had taken in good old traditional British pubs, drinking good old traditional British beer, with good old traditional British salt of the earth types before going to bed with his good old traditional German wife (who I presume he will be kicking out back to Munchen should he ever get UKIP into government) its a pretty good bet he has so far supped and been snapped with 11 paedos, 8 Fully fledged Nazi's, 3 unconvincing weekend cross dressers, 19 sheep worriers and a man who is convinced he is Diane Abbott.

Edited by The Sash (19 Feb 2015 4.07pm)