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  georgenorman  23 Feb 23 10.27am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It seems to me that you have a starry eyed view of the UK system which is completely unrealistic and that if the EU one delivered million £ lifestyles to everyone you would still complain that it's not democratic. It doesn't deliver million £ lifestyles, but it does deliver better ones. No governments deliver prosperous lifestyles. Better lifestyles have been achieved by people despite their governments.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 23 Feb 23 11.18am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
No governments deliver prosperous lifestyles. Better lifestyles have been achieved by people despite their governments. I have come to the same conclusion. Politicians do not help people prosper the best they can do is keep out of the way. However politicians can do economic harm through stupidity (Liz Truss) or ideology.
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| georgenorman 23 Feb 23 11.47am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I have come to the same conclusion. Politicians do not help people prosper the best they can do is keep out of the way. However politicians can do economic harm through stupidity (Liz Truss) or ideology. Exactly. A major general benefit of Brexit is less government.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 23 Feb 23 1.56pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Exactly. A major general benefit of Brexit is less government. That'll be the day. Where do you get this stuff.
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| georgenorman 23 Feb 23 2.35pm |
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You think governments do a really good job? You think their growing involvement in more and more aspects of our lives is a useful thing? You think they can spend our money better than we can?
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| steeleye20 Croydon 23 Feb 23 3.06pm |
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Life was far simpler in the EU. And nobody treats you worse than your own.
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 23 Feb 23 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You think governments do a really good job? You think their growing involvement in more and more aspects of our lives is a useful thing? You think they can spend our money better than we can? When I were a boy, there was the Parish Council, County Council and the UK Government that dictated what was allowed. Then we added the failed Regional Assemblies and the EU Parliament. Doubtless there were other intermediaries that put in their tuppence worth. Each layer is a cost to the taxpayer somewhere; all moving in the same direction but often against the actual will of the public. Hence we got Brexit.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 23 Feb 23 3.17pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Life was far simpler in the EU. And nobody treats you worse than your own. Ah yes the good ole days when you could just jump on a plane and they barely looked at your EU passport and all for the price of, well billions and the loss of our national sovereignty. It was such a bargain can't think why we left.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 23 Feb 23 6.17pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Ah yes the good ole days when you could just jump on a plane and they barely looked at your EU passport and all for the price of, well billions and the loss of our national sovereignty. It was such a bargain can't think why we left. Let's wait and see what the price of leaving will turn out to be, shall we? It could turn out to be far more expensive than what the EU was costing us. Time will tell. Certainly not possible to claim it's worked out financially just yet. As for sovereignty, sure, you're on firmer ground there. But at what cost. It will be interesting to see how this all develops.
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cryrst  The garden of England 23 Feb 23 7.29pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Let's wait and see what the price of leaving will turn out to be, shall we? It could turn out to be far more expensive than what the EU was costing us. Time will tell. Certainly not possible to claim it's worked out financially just yet. As for sovereignty, sure, you're on firmer ground there. But at what cost. It will be interesting to see how this all develops. I agree that comparisons need to be made. It will be a whole lot of comparisons though, within the financial side of Brexit.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Feb 23 9.21pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
No governments deliver prosperous lifestyles. Better lifestyles have been achieved by people despite their governments. Are you truly a democrat? You are beginning to appear to be an anarchist. Of course people create their own lifestyles in a free and democratic country. Their government though creates the environment in which people can flourish.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Feb 23 9.46pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Exactly. A major general benefit of Brexit is less government. Totally wrong. A major disadvantage of Brexit will be the costs of more government. Not the direct costs of parliament, but the hidden costs of having to do all the things ourselves that were previously done by the EU. Costs which are wished away by the Brexiteers and, whilst at the moment difficult to quantify, are nonetheless very real and logically well in excess of our previous EU contributions.
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