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Rudi Hedman Caterham 15 Nov 20 10.01am
Nicer people apparently [Tweet Link] COYP
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Caterham 15 Nov 20 10.01am

Nicer people apparently

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BlueJay UK 15 Nov 20 10.39am
The full incident in the earlier video is intentionally shortened for propaganda purposes. A caricature of an event is what satisfies the echo chamber and so the 'edit' becomes the social media reality. There's no excuse for sucker punching anyone but from the unedited footage he and his pal instigated violence against someone exercising his freedom of speech. After pushing the guy to the floor and almost stamping on his head the aggressor then exchange pushes and punches with others. The edited down 'black man bad' narrative fits the bill though so some look no further.. [Tweet Link] Edited by BlueJay (15 Nov 2020 10.46am)
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UK 15 Nov 20 10.39am

The full incident in the earlier video is intentionally shortened for propaganda purposes. A caricature of an event is what satisfies the echo chamber and so the 'edit' becomes the social media reality. There's no excuse for sucker punching anyone but from the unedited footage he and his pal instigated violence against someone exercising his freedom of speech. After pushing the guy to the floor and almost stamping on his head the aggressor then exchange pushes and punches with others. The edited down 'black man bad' narrative fits the bill though so some look no further..

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Stirlingsays 15 Nov 20 10.48am
I hadn't seen that video.....it p1sses me off that it's been edited out of context. This guy was obviously initially out of order so I retract my previous commentary on it....he was a fool to turn his back on such 'nice' people....then again, he initiated it. However, I regard your 'black man bad' comment as typical of an ideology, which is itself a reductive view of your ideological opposition. That said, there are plenty of videos showing Antifa/BLM violence last night.....all done when the vast majority of the protesters had gone home (without attacking businesses). Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2020 10.51am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Nov 20 10.48am

I hadn't seen that video.....it p1sses me off that it's been edited out of context.

This guy was obviously initially out of order so I retract my previous commentary on it....he was a fool to turn his back on such 'nice' people....then again, he initiated it.

However, I regard your 'black man bad' comment as typical of an ideology, which is itself a reductive view of your ideological opposition.

That said, there are plenty of videos showing Antifa/BLM violence last night.....all done when the vast majority of the protesters had gone home (without attacking businesses).

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2020 10.51am)

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BlueJay UK 15 Nov 20 10.49am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Nicer people apparently There are scumbags across the political spectrum and these are certainly some good examples of some of them..
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Nicer people apparently

There are scumbags across the political spectrum and these are certainly some good examples of some of them..

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 15 Nov 20 11.13am
Funny it takes a huge group to not even phase him until he gets punched from behind. What this tells us is that these left wing morons are all children or adult children as they should be known. Work and education really needs to get back to normal. Oh but it won’t, and it won’t even further if their Joe Biden Democrat gets in. Good to see them helping the healing. Roma jacket and what’s possibly a Brooklyn accent. Probably a tough Italian who might’ve had a different career decades ago. COYP
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Caterham 15 Nov 20 11.13am

Funny it takes a huge group to not even phase him until he gets punched from behind. What this tells us is that these left wing morons are all children or adult children as they should be known. Work and education really needs to get back to normal. Oh but it won’t, and it won’t even further if their Joe Biden Democrat gets in. Good to see them helping the healing.

Roma jacket and what’s possibly a Brooklyn accent. Probably a tough Italian who might’ve had a different career decades ago.

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BlueJay UK 15 Nov 20 11.13am
This happens a lot on social media unfortunately, left and right, so it's understandable that people are caught out on occasion. While it could be said that individuals should do their homework, 'blue tick' types posting this stuff likely already know and yet do not care about the context, so that is a big part of the problem. Social media is an echo chamber sugar rush and what gets these people the most followers and $$$ is what they go with. That often is a warped reality that routinely omits the full picture. Facts and fairness take a back seat as no-one is mad about 'the nuance channel'. It plays to our worst traits. It's not really in social media networks interests to change this as they benefit from it, but they certainly provide platforms that damage society. Taiwan's approach to using social media to shape society appears to at least have something going for it. Hopefully in future, platforms will emerge that are geared towards at least some aspects of common cause rather than the current approach of feeding habits like a local dealer [Link]
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UK 15 Nov 20 11.13am

This happens a lot on social media unfortunately, left and right, so it's understandable that people are caught out on occasion. While it could be said that individuals should do their homework, 'blue tick' types posting this stuff likely already know and yet do not care about the context, so that is a big part of the problem. Social media is an echo chamber sugar rush and what gets these people the most followers and $$$ is what they go with. That often is a warped reality that routinely omits the full picture. Facts and fairness take a back seat as no-one is mad about 'the nuance channel'. It plays to our worst traits.

It's not really in social media networks interests to change this as they benefit from it, but they certainly provide platforms that damage society. Taiwan's approach to using social media to shape society appears to at least have something going for it. Hopefully in future, platforms will emerge that are geared towards at least some aspects of common cause rather than the current approach of feeding habits like a local dealer [Link]

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Nov 20 11.29am
In all of the comments so far on this "rally" and the way some others reacted to it (which if past events are any guide were likely to have been provoked so they could be videoed and used for propaganda), there has been none on the "rally" itself. In the middle of a pandemic which is on the verge of overwhelming the capacity of their health service thousands of people gather together, unmasked and not personally distanced, to spread the virus between themselves so they could take it home and infect those they love and work with. What a bunch of irresponsible dimwits. Then the President gives them a "thumbs up" instead of imploring them to go home and save lives. Yet some still support him! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 15 Nov 20 11.29am

In all of the comments so far on this "rally" and the way some others reacted to it (which if past events are any guide were likely to have been provoked so they could be videoed and used for propaganda), there has been none on the "rally" itself.

In the middle of a pandemic which is on the verge of overwhelming the capacity of their health service thousands of people gather together, unmasked and not personally distanced, to spread the virus between themselves so they could take it home and infect those they love and work with. What a bunch of irresponsible dimwits.

Then the President gives them a "thumbs up" instead of imploring them to go home and save lives.

Yet some still support him!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 15 Nov 20 11.32am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle In all of the comments so far on this "rally" and the way some others reacted to it (which if past events are any guide were likely to have been provoked so they could be videoed and used for propaganda), there has been none on the "rally" itself. In the middle of a pandemic which is on the verge of overwhelming the capacity of their health service thousands of people gather together, unmasked and not personally distanced, to spread the virus between themselves so they could take it home and infect those they love and work with. What a bunch of irresponsible dimwits. Then the President gives them a "thumbs up" instead of imploring them to go home and save lives. Yet some still support him! How is that different to the BLM and Antifa carry on in the summer? COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 15 Nov 20 11.32am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Then the President gives them a "thumbs up" instead of imploring them to go home and save lives.

Yet some still support him!

How is that different to the BLM and Antifa carry on in the summer?

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Nov 20 11.36am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman How is that different to the BLM and Antifa carry on in the summer? It probably isn't. Does that make it OK? I think the President condemned such "rallies" at the time, although for different reasons. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 15 Nov 20 11.36am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

How is that different to the BLM and Antifa carry on in the summer?

It probably isn't. Does that make it OK?

I think the President condemned such "rallies" at the time, although for different reasons.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 15 Nov 20 11.49am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It probably isn't. Does that make it OK? I think the President condemned such "rallies" at the time, although for different reasons. What about democrats and politicians? The left here certainly condoned the protests (riots). I didn’t voice an opinion on them regarding Covid unless someone was being a hypocrite. Piers Morgan with his son attending protests the biggest hypocrite this year. Edited by Rudi Hedman (15 Nov 2020 11.49am) COYP
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Caterham 15 Nov 20 11.49am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It probably isn't. Does that make it OK?

I think the President condemned such "rallies" at the time, although for different reasons.

What about democrats and politicians? The left here certainly condoned the protests (riots). I didn’t voice an opinion on them regarding Covid unless someone was being a hypocrite. Piers Morgan with his son attending protests the biggest hypocrite this year.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Nov 20 12.06pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman What about democrats and politicians? The left here certainly condoned the protests (riots). I didn’t voice an opinion on them regarding Covid unless someone was being a hypocrite. Piers Morgan with his son attending protests the biggest hypocrite this year. Edited by Rudi Hedman (15 Nov 2020 11.49am) There was far more disapproval from Biden and his team than ever there was from Trump. They supported the right to protest but encouraged that it be done in a safe and responsible way. Just look at the contrast between Biden's campaigning style and Trump's at the messages being given. Trump now seemingly approving this behaviour just at a tipping point in the infection rate whilst also attempting to claim credit for a vaccine he had zilch involvement in is beyond stupid. He needs to be removed before he causes any more harm. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 15 Nov 20 12.06pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Edited by Rudi Hedman (15 Nov 2020 11.49am)

There was far more disapproval from Biden and his team than ever there was from Trump. They supported the right to protest but encouraged that it be done in a safe and responsible way.

Just look at the contrast between Biden's campaigning style and Trump's at the messages being given.

Trump now seemingly approving this behaviour just at a tipping point in the infection rate whilst also attempting to claim credit for a vaccine he had zilch involvement in is beyond stupid.

He needs to be removed before he causes any more harm.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 15 Nov 20 12.15pm
Those who deliberately lie on either the left or right ultimately only hurt the ethical justifications upon which their own ideologies stand. There are obviously levels to lying but essentially the world has enough deliberately disingenuous liars who either through mental illness or spite (if there is a difference) cause much more harm in the world than it has to go through already. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2020 12.27pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Nov 20 12.15pm

Those who deliberately lie on either the left or right ultimately only hurt the ethical justifications upon which their own ideologies stand.

There are obviously levels to lying but essentially the world has enough deliberately disingenuous liars who either through mental illness or spite (if there is a difference) cause much more harm in the world than it has to go through already.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2020 12.27pm)

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