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Penge Eagle Beckenham 04 Feb 19 11.25am
Originally posted by steeleye20 I am afraid if you are an entirely innocent resident of Libya, Syria Yemen you don't have much choice in who bombs you, starves you or leaves your environment devastated. To our shame it will probably have been backed by the UK and certainly the USA, whilst denying it, and probably carried out by them too. We have specifically been talking about Trump and the Iran nuclear deal. What you mention are separate issues to this and more 'whataboutery'.
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Penge Eagle

Beckenham 04 Feb 19 11.25am

Originally posted by steeleye20

I am afraid if you are an entirely innocent resident of Libya, Syria Yemen you don't have much choice in who bombs you, starves you or leaves your environment devastated.

To our shame it will probably have been backed by the UK and certainly the USA, whilst denying it, and probably carried out by them too.

We have specifically been talking about Trump and the Iran nuclear deal. What you mention are separate issues to this and more 'whataboutery'.

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steeleye20 Croydon 04 Feb 19 11.35am
Originally posted by Penge Eagle We have specifically been talking about Trump and the Iran nuclear deal. What you mention are separate issues to this and more 'whataboutery'. Well when being bombed I am choosy, much prefer Iran. Keep to their side of the bargain, something the USA and its puppet could never do...……
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Croydon 04 Feb 19 11.35am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

We have specifically been talking about Trump and the Iran nuclear deal. What you mention are separate issues to this and more 'whataboutery'.

Well when being bombed I am choosy, much prefer Iran.

Keep to their side of the bargain, something the USA and its puppet could never do...……

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Stirlingsays 04 Feb 19 11.43am
Originally posted by steeleye20 I am afraid if you are an entirely innocent resident of Libya, Syria Yemen you don't have much choice in who bombs you, starves you or leaves your environment devastated. To our shame it will probably have been backed by the UK and certainly the USA, whilst denying it, and probably carried out by them too. This is true.....though I feel no shame, you can if you want to. The inherent unfairness of life isn't to my shame. The leaders of these countries are responsible for the path that their peoples go down. But is the common man in the street who wants to get on in any way responsible for their global political situation.....Unless they are politically involved...nope.....that much we can agree on. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Feb 2019 11.44am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Feb 19 11.43am

Originally posted by steeleye20

I am afraid if you are an entirely innocent resident of Libya, Syria Yemen you don't have much choice in who bombs you, starves you or leaves your environment devastated.

To our shame it will probably have been backed by the UK and certainly the USA, whilst denying it, and probably carried out by them too.

This is true.....though I feel no shame, you can if you want to.

The inherent unfairness of life isn't to my shame. The leaders of these countries are responsible for the path that their peoples go down.

But is the common man in the street who wants to get on in any way responsible for their global political situation.....Unless they are politically involved...nope.....that much we can agree on.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Feb 2019 11.44am)

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silvertop Portishead 04 Feb 19 4.15pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle It IS the biggest state sponsor of terrorism and I have proved with evidence. That's the same data across the whole internet. Where is your information to disprove it? You don't have any! I should be surprised that you would rather take sides with an evil dictatorship that not only threatens its neighbours and subsidises global terrorism, but oppresses and kills its own people over the USA. But you're a textbook leftist, so I'm not. Nope, I'm not actually leftist. And I am aware that Iran is not on Amnesty International's "nice" list. I am, on the other hand, sick of the hypocritical anti-Iranian bollox spouted out by the west who then back even worse (or at least just as bad) states in Saudi Arabia and UAE and facilitate Israel to behave badly with impunity. I would have thought the existence and actions of AQ and ISIS and the current crisis in Yemen would be all the evidence I would need for this. And what has Hezbollah and Iran been doing in Iraq and Syria in recent times? In your words, destablising the region. Possibly. However, they have also been fighting ISIS. Not remote bombing, but close quarter hand-to-hand stuff. In any other world they would be the enemy of my enemy. In a US dominated one, they remain pariahs. God forbid we upset Israel. Largest state sponsor of terrorism my a*se.
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Portishead 04 Feb 19 4.15pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

It IS the biggest state sponsor of terrorism and I have proved with evidence. That's the same data across the whole internet. Where is your information to disprove it? You don't have any!

I should be surprised that you would rather take sides with an evil dictatorship that not only threatens its neighbours and subsidises global terrorism, but oppresses and kills its own people over the USA. But you're a textbook leftist, so I'm not.

Nope, I'm not actually leftist. And I am aware that Iran is not on Amnesty International's "nice" list. I am, on the other hand, sick of the hypocritical anti-Iranian bollox spouted out by the west who then back even worse (or at least just as bad) states in Saudi Arabia and UAE and facilitate Israel to behave badly with impunity.

I would have thought the existence and actions of AQ and ISIS and the current crisis in Yemen would be all the evidence I would need for this.

And what has Hezbollah and Iran been doing in Iraq and Syria in recent times? In your words, destablising the region. Possibly. However, they have also been fighting ISIS. Not remote bombing, but close quarter hand-to-hand stuff. In any other world they would be the enemy of my enemy. In a US dominated one, they remain pariahs. God forbid we upset Israel.

Largest state sponsor of terrorism my a*se.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 04 Feb 19 5.41pm
Originally posted by silvertop Nope, I'm not actually leftist. And I am aware that Iran is not on Amnesty International's "nice" list. I am, on the other hand, sick of the hypocritical anti-Iranian bollox spouted out by the west who then back even worse (or at least just as bad) states in Saudi Arabia and UAE and facilitate Israel to behave badly with impunity. I would have thought the existence and actions of AQ and ISIS and the current crisis in Yemen would be all the evidence I would need for this. And what has Hezbollah and Iran been doing in Iraq and Syria in recent times? In your words, destablising the region. Possibly. However, they have also been fighting ISIS. Not remote bombing, but close quarter hand-to-hand stuff. In any other world they would be the enemy of my enemy. In a US dominated one, they remain pariahs. God forbid we upset Israel. Largest state sponsor of terrorism my a*se. Well all your posts are left leaning. And also lack facts and evidence. So because Saudi Arabia is "at least just as bad" a state, that means the US should let Iran put motions in place to build a nuclear weapon? And to hell with the fall-out. That's such a weak argument. Pariahs? It's pretty shocking that you're a sympathiser of the Iranian regime.
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Beckenham 04 Feb 19 5.41pm

Originally posted by silvertop

I would have thought the existence and actions of AQ and ISIS and the current crisis in Yemen would be all the evidence I would need for this.

Largest state sponsor of terrorism my a*se.

Well all your posts are left leaning. And also lack facts and evidence.

So because Saudi Arabia is "at least just as bad" a state, that means the US should let Iran put motions in place to build a nuclear weapon? And to hell with the fall-out. That's such a weak argument. Pariahs? It's pretty shocking that you're a sympathiser of the Iranian regime.

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Stirlingsays 04 Feb 19 5.56pm
Originally posted by silvertop Nope, I'm not actually leftist. Interesting....ok which policies do you differ on with the left? Originally posted by silvertop And I am aware that Iran is not on Amnesty International's "nice" list. I am, on the other hand, sick of the hypocritical anti-Iranian bollox spouted out by the west who then back even worse (or at least just as bad) states in Saudi Arabia and UAE and facilitate Israel to behave badly with impunity. This is in western interest.....why exactly is that hypocritical? Originally posted by silvertop I would have thought the existence and actions of AQ and ISIS and the current crisis in Yemen would be all the evidence I would need for this. Are you seriously suggesting that the west are to blame for radical Islamic extremism? We would have it regardless. Are you aware of how it started? You could read the 'The Looming Tower' on this topic. As for Yemen.....I'm not exactly sure that the argument that the west and the house of Saudi is one big happy family is an accurate one...it's an arrangement of convenience for both. Originally posted by silvertop And what has Hezbollah and Iran been doing in Iraq and Syria in recent times? In your words, destablising the region. Possibly. However, they have also been fighting ISIS. Not remote bombing, but close quarter hand-to-hand stuff. In any other world they would be the enemy of my enemy. In a US dominated one, they remain pariahs. God forbid we upset Israel. Largest state sponsor of terrorism my a*se. These guys are happy to support IS when they fight the west so....So what you say there is a bit off centre. I get it that you dislike Israel.....but like before....What exactly would you be doing about Israel? Israel is western facing.....Gays aren't in fear of their lives in Israel, you can practice your religion or have none at all in Israel without fear of death.....Women aren't forced to adhere to religious orders.....Essentially it's Jews from Europe in the middle east.....What are you suggesting....lets entertain the thought even though we couldn't do it.......What should be done....just give Israel to the Arabs and deport the Jews back to Europe? Or should we step back and stop supplying the Jews with weapons and watch while the whole region explodes into a blood bath? Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Feb 2019 5.59pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Feb 19 5.56pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Nope, I'm not actually leftist.

Interesting....ok which policies do you differ on with the left?

Originally posted by silvertop

And I am aware that Iran is not on Amnesty International's "nice" list. I am, on the other hand, sick of the hypocritical anti-Iranian bollox spouted out by the west who then back even worse (or at least just as bad) states in Saudi Arabia and UAE and facilitate Israel to behave badly with impunity.

This is in western interest.....why exactly is that hypocritical?

Originally posted by silvertop

I would have thought the existence and actions of AQ and ISIS and the current crisis in Yemen would be all the evidence I would need for this.

Are you seriously suggesting that the west are to blame for radical Islamic extremism? We would have it regardless. Are you aware of how it started? You could read the 'The Looming Tower' on this topic.

As for Yemen.....I'm not exactly sure that the argument that the west and the house of Saudi is one big happy family is an accurate one...it's an arrangement of convenience for both.

Originally posted by silvertop

Largest state sponsor of terrorism my a*se.

These guys are happy to support IS when they fight the west so....So what you say there is a bit off centre.

I get it that you dislike Israel.....but like before....What exactly would you be doing about Israel?

Israel is western facing.....Gays aren't in fear of their lives in Israel, you can practice your religion or have none at all in Israel without fear of death.....Women aren't forced to adhere to religious orders.....Essentially it's Jews from Europe in the middle east.....What are you suggesting....lets entertain the thought even though we couldn't do it.......What should be done....just give Israel to the Arabs and deport the Jews back to Europe?

Or should we step back and stop supplying the Jews with weapons and watch while the whole region explodes into a blood bath?

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Feb 2019 5.59pm)

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silvertop Portishead 06 Feb 19 9.49am
Originally posted by Penge Eagle Well all your posts are left leaning. And also lack facts and evidence. So because Saudi Arabia is "at least just as bad" a state, that means the US should let Iran put motions in place to build a nuclear weapon? And to hell with the fall-out. That's such a weak argument. Pariahs? It's pretty shocking that you're a sympathiser of the Iranian regime. I have made my point pretty clear about Iran. It's horrible. However, it is not worse than other countries. However, if you trace the thread back, you will see that all I said was that the US attack Iran for reasons that have nothing whatever to do with its alleged nuclear ambitions (which his own people say is rubbish) or poor human rights record. On that, since when has being nice had anything to do with what side we support? The US and indeed the UK have been supporting despotic regimes since forever. Were not Thatcher and Pinochet best of buddies? On political leaning, are you saying that those who support human rights and fairness are leftist; and those who support hard line despotic rule are rightist?
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Portishead 06 Feb 19 9.49am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Well all your posts are left leaning. And also lack facts and evidence.

I have made my point pretty clear about Iran. It's horrible. However, it is not worse than other countries.

However, if you trace the thread back, you will see that all I said was that the US attack Iran for reasons that have nothing whatever to do with its alleged nuclear ambitions (which his own people say is rubbish) or poor human rights record.

On that, since when has being nice had anything to do with what side we support? The US and indeed the UK have been supporting despotic regimes since forever. Were not Thatcher and Pinochet best of buddies?

On political leaning, are you saying that those who support human rights and fairness are leftist; and those who support hard line despotic rule are rightist?

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steeleye20 Croydon 06 Feb 19 10.28am
I am surprised that the President of Mexico doesn't petition Trump to build the wall immediately. The last thing you need in South America is for the yanks to impose military dictatorship upon you, as has happened so often. Yankee stay home por favor.......
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Croydon 06 Feb 19 10.28am

I am surprised that the President of Mexico doesn't petition Trump to build the wall immediately.

The last thing you need in South America is for the yanks to impose military dictatorship upon you, as has happened so often.

Yankee stay home por favor.......

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 06 Feb 19 11.17am
Originally posted by silvertop I have made my point pretty clear about Iran. It's horrible. However, it is not worse than other countries. However, if you trace the thread back, you will see that all I said was that the US attack Iran for reasons that have nothing whatever to do with its alleged nuclear ambitions (which his own people say is rubbish) or poor human rights record. On that, since when has being nice had anything to do with what side we support? The US and indeed the UK have been supporting despotic regimes since forever. Were not Thatcher and Pinochet best of buddies? On political leaning, are you saying that those who support human rights and fairness are leftist; and those who support hard line despotic rule are rightist? You're massively conflating this. It's really quite simple in the context of this thread regarding Trump's actions with Iran. Is there evidence to suggest Iran have plans in place to build a nuclear warhead/weapon? Yes. Should sanctions be re-imposed to stop this? Yes.
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Beckenham 06 Feb 19 11.17am

Originally posted by silvertop

I have made my point pretty clear about Iran. It's horrible. However, it is not worse than other countries.

On political leaning, are you saying that those who support human rights and fairness are leftist; and those who support hard line despotic rule are rightist?

You're massively conflating this.

It's really quite simple in the context of this thread regarding Trump's actions with Iran.

Is there evidence to suggest Iran have plans in place to build a nuclear warhead/weapon? Yes. Should sanctions be re-imposed to stop this? Yes.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 08 Feb 19 9.59pm
As China welcomes the Year of the Pig, America celebrates the third year of the cock "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 08 Feb 19 9.59pm

As China welcomes the Year of the Pig, America celebrates the third year of the cock

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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ChrisGC Wantage 08 Feb 19 10.48pm
Originally posted by pefwin As China welcomes the Year of the Pig, America celebrates the third year of the cock Who's that, Pellosi? Regarding Trump I can appreciate why people don't like him, but the stats speak for themselves: When it comes to Jobs and the economy he's unrivaled in his successes. I also like his strong stance on illegal immigration. I think people don't like his brashness, he's certainly not diplomatic, but the again, has it ever been said anywhere "I know what the world needs, another politician". I've never known any politician strive to keep promises like he has. He's also a strong, no nonsense, uncompromising leader: something we could do with. His nicknames make me smile too. Dnang Dick and Crying Chuck. I had to look up who Mr Peeps was and I'm glad I did. Never laughed so much lol.
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Wantage 08 Feb 19 10.48pm

Originally posted by pefwin

As China welcomes the Year of the Pig, America celebrates the third year of the cock

Who's that, Pellosi?

Regarding Trump I can appreciate why people don't like him, but the stats speak for themselves: When it comes to Jobs and the economy he's unrivaled in his successes. I also like his strong stance on illegal immigration. I think people don't like his brashness, he's certainly not diplomatic, but the
again, has it ever been said anywhere "I know what the world needs, another politician". I've never known any politician strive to keep promises like he has. He's also a strong, no nonsense, uncompromising leader: something we could do with.

His nicknames make me smile too. Dnang Dick and Crying Chuck.

I had to look up who Mr Peeps was and I'm glad I did. Never laughed so much lol.

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