No you don't... stop being so daft.

Is an opinion to which you are fully entitled.

And yes, there is nothing quite like sounding like an old broken record...

To which you have no need to listen if you choose not to but I can play if I do.

Oh! You said you knew who my hero was?

Is that a cold fact as well?

Of course not! It's a subjective judgement.

Can you tell me who it is?

No.Only you can do that. I could tell you who I think it is, in the context of the original comment which I cannot either remember or be bothered to search for. I suspect though it might be Farage.

I'll put it down to a feeble attempt on your part to discredit me...as you have tried with others...

I discredit no-one. People can only ever discredit themselves.

So, I'll repeat... just because you Wisbech think it's so, doesn't mean it is.

I have already said that whilst that is obviously true there are many things that are factual and not subject to interpretation or opinion.

The public voted - the gvt doesn't legally have to honour it- but the stone cold fact is that we are leaving...

Until we actually leave nothing is a stone cold fact with Brexit. Article 50 could be rescinded.

As I mentioned before, I'm a remainer who'd vote Brexit at a second non binding referendum, purely on the bases, that people like you are an embarrassment to this nation with your constant whining, insulting arrogant put downs to those who think differently (more clearly) than you.

You can play the system and win, well, do better than ‘Just about Manage’ and still have a firm ideology.

Part of me would really like to see Nigel (I’m not the political class but I am really) Farage win an election purely on Brexit, with no manifesto, no foreign policy, no substance other than ‘leave means leave’.

I can then sit back and watch as all the people that voted for him slowly get screwed over again in exactly the same way they always have. Then perhaps we won’t have this kind of borefest again for quite some time - people will realise that even when they think they’ve got a chance to matter in this world, they actually don’t. And in systems with power structures, the same outcomes always occur. Or become a socialist (how ironic).

Choose a vocation that pays well, work hard (as I’m continually told on this forum apparently everyone has the same equal opportunity these days, no matter upbringing or circumstance) and play the system. Or be bitter and spend your life ranting on a forum, earning pennies because you’re blaming your own deficiencies in life on someone else, and expecting something like Brexit to increase your financial, cultural or other type of standing now or in the future. Bit of a risky gamble.

I know id rather use money to fuel personal agency and reinvestment in community causes, or even getting into politics as part of a ‘necessary evil’ approach than either

• working hard in a profession that is morally rewarding but financially bankrupt (I have ultimate respect for these people but they clearly have zero personal logic and common sense, even more so these days)

• dossing through my school years, not testing myself and falling into a mid wage job, probably labour based, which I grow to resent, and instead of blaming myself I blame whatever is available around me - politicians, Brexit, wealthier people etc. Then I end up with arthritis, no pension because I’ve spent it all on beer to numb the pain and end my days living in a council flat with no heating because of my own ineptitude.

Even Stevey has my respect as although I disagree with a lot of his dross, and certainly the Amateurish way he goes about it, he is at least pushing himself to the limit for what he believes in / making a bit of money on the side. He is finding a way to play the system whilst retaining a firm ideology (albeit a much harder way).

Also, to be clear, the above does not relate to people that are just unlucky in life, they are just unlucky. And anyone can be unlucky, no matter how wealthy they may be.

Not unless the same people vote in the same numbers using the same system.

This is an EU vote. That was a referendum.

Chalk and cheese!

But you said my hero uses the word "sad"
Implying he is my hero... you can call it subjective judgement if you want...but we know you are just wrong.
Maybe grow up a bit stop speculating and stick to the facts..

I am obviously speculating! That's what an opinion is. Now perhaps you can enlighten us with the facts that only you know.

Wrong again...it goes both ways...any reasonable human being acknowledges that... Not you tho.

You have your opinion. I have mine. These are not issues of fact.

You have already said a lot of things over and over again...

Only because the same false claims are made over and over again. Once that stops so will the need to counter them.

]We are leaving and that's it Wisbech get used to it. you don't need any facts to guess that is the likely outcome

You possess an infallible crystal ball perhaps? Let me know the lottery numbers please.

Oh yes you are whining like a little spoilt brat who didn't get is way... Like I said before, you're an embarrassment to the nation just like those politicians that you so wholey rely on to deliver...

The only "whining" that I hear is the mock outrage gushing from the likes of Farage and his sheep making the repeated fake claims about democracy being under threat. He and his kind are the embarrassment. Just look at the disdain shown to him by just about every respectable politician and political commentator. If you don't approve of the politicians who act on our behalf then gather enough support and change them. It's not you, or me, who decides who represents us. It all of us, acting together. That's democracy. Not whether one opinion gathers slightly more support than any other.

Edited by Park Road (22 May 2019 11.26am)

Isn't picking and choosing between what you think is right and wrong once you've weighed up the facts what any sensible grown up should do?

Blindly picking a side and fighting that corner is very primary school.