You are a racist anti-Israeli

You are not in favour of their policies, actions, or existence of the state of Israel.

You do nothing but criticize Israel. Criticism of Israeli government policies, and your support for Palestinian rights and not Israeli rights is clear as day. Your opposition to specific Israeli actions such as settlement expansion or military operations, blind your opinions .

You do not understand the implications of a conflict and you have no solutions.

You cry out for the civilians of Palestine . You try to cover your words and actions by saying you also disagree with the atrocities of Hamas and then brush it under the carpet.

It sounds that you are typically anti-establishment anti superpower and anti-west.

Your arguments are not constructive it's just plain blame, blame ,blame,

I have given you solutions that you chose to ignore them. instead deflecting on other things I said. Typical of people like you.

You have no idea what it's like to live under terrorist threat and living in fear on what actions they are going to do next.

Why don't you come up with a solution instead of all the nonsense that you are coming out with?

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Understand 3 Hamas leaders have just been killed by the IDF. Good.

But...

Were they the only ones killed? If the collateral damage is 100s of Palestinian civilians then - not so good.

In the vitriolic defence of Israel’s response to the attack by Hamas in this thread one crucial thing stands out. Netanyahu! His desire to remain in power and his need to continue to have the support of the hard line traditionalists and settlers is central to what is happening.

No one defends Hamas or what it did. Nor does anyone believe that Israel doesn’t have the right to defend itself, or respond. That’s not to say that the Palestinian people themselves don’t have legitimate reasons to feel mistreated, or not to criticise Zionism. All of which is extremely complicated and outside the current situation.

The style of Israel’s response and its disregard for the lives of the innocent is indefensible. No matter what the provocation, objective or behaviour of its adversary.

That would not be happening but for Netanyahu. Who is not very popular in Israel itself, let alone elsewhere. With the USA losing patience I sense change on the horizon and hopefully a reduction in civilian casualties following a more nuanced strategy in trying to eliminate Hamas.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

The survey of Muslims showed that a considerable number are simply detached from reality, no doubt surveys on other topics would produce similarly lala results.

Problem is that in this case there are millions of Muslims in the UK so any signifcant percentage is a lot of people.

Even Hamas owning the Oct 7th attach does not matter to some people.

There are dark clouds forming peeps

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

It is evident from your statement that you believe Benjamin Netanyahu's desire to maintain power and appease hardline factions within Israel plays a central role in the current situation between Israel and Hamas. I have to agree with you on that basis.

You acknowledge Israel's right to defend itself but criticize the style of Israel's response and its disregard for innocent lives. Maybe, you could explain how Israel should have responded?

Both sides have legitimate grievances and concerns that contribute to the ongoing tensions. A nuanced approach is necessary to address these issues effectively and minimize civilian casualties.

You suggest that with the United States possibly losing patience, there may be a change on the horizon, leading to a more nuanced strategy in dealing with Hamas. I would like to know what that strategy might be...

Some potential steps towards a resolution could include:

1. Renewed Dialogue: Encouraging direct negotiations between Israeli and Hamas leaders is crucial for building trust and finding common ground.
However, the Palestinians have rejected every peace deal since 1948 so this strategy, doesn't seem to work.

2. Two-State Solution: Many previous international agreements and proposals have supported the establishment of two states – Israel and Palestine – living side by side in peace and security.
Negotiations should aim to determine the borders, security arrangements, and the status of Jerusalem, ensuring the sovereignty and self-determination of both parties. Once again, this is something that the Palestinians have rejected because Hamas has openly stated that it wants to eradicate Israel from the planet..

3. Addressing Security Concerns: Any solution must address the legitimate security concerns of both Israelis and Palestinians. Robust security cooperation, including intelligence sharing and joint patrols, can help foster trust and minimize violence.

4. Economic Development and Assistance: Promoting economic development in the Palestinian territories can contribute to stability and improve living conditions. International support, investment, and aid can help create jobs, enhance infrastructure, and improve access to basic services, providing a foundation for a more prosperous future.

5. Human Rights and Humanitarian Concerns: Protecting the human rights of all individuals involved, including the rights of Palestinians living in the occupied territories, is crucial. International bodies and organizations should monitor the situation, investigate alleged violations, and provide necessary humanitarian assistance.

6. Education and People-to-People Initiatives: Promoting joint educational programs, cultural exchanges, and grassroots initiatives can help foster mutual understanding and tolerance between Israeli and Palestinian societies. Encouraging dialogue and opportunities for interaction can help bridge divides and build lasting trust.

Ultimately, a sustainable solution must ensure the security, dignity, and self-determination of both Israelis and Palestinians.

I am neither a military strategist nor a diplomat with answers to an intractable problem as old as time.

It just seems obvious that taking the approach that Israel under Netanyahu has is ultimately going to make things worse than a more nuanced, forensic and carefully thought out one. Losing the support of almost the entire developed world, including your major ally, is self defeating. Israel clearly has great intelligence sources which could be put to better use.

The real problem here is Iran. Hamas being a proxy. Replacing Hamas with a non aligned authority should possibly be the aim. I was in Israel only a few weeks prior to the Hamas action and know that the relationship between ordinary Israelis, whether Jewish or Arab, is often perfectly ok. The possibility of peaceful coexistence exists at ground level. It’s the extremists that are the problem. So the idea of cultural exchanges is good, and does already exist. Rather than turn Gaza into a refugee camp with its cities rubble, I would develop it, flood it with kindness and western comforts. Show the people love in return for hatred. It takes time and is almost certainly too late for these generations.

So there is a lot of agreement between us but the immediate issue is to stop escalation and pull Iran back from retaliation and Israel back from further provocation. Then to allow aid in, try to find a way to halt the war temporarily, then semi permanently, Israel to replace Netanyahu, the UN to send in peacekeepers, the Arab States to fund reconstruction, Iran to be forced by internal dissent to concentrate on itself thus reducing the power of Hamas and making its replacement easier. Impractical dreams? Probably, but better these dreams than the current nightmare.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.