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Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
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 cryrst  The garden of England 19 Apr 22 7.43pm |
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If I were zolensky I would instruct his army to drop a few missiles into Russia. Nothing to lose by the sounds of it.
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Stirlingsays  19 Apr 22 8.13pm |
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Is the long list of stupid, long signposted and easily avoidable wars this one has to be up there. A bankrupt dishonest media can't cover for low quality elites. They can double down on bad hands because ultimately their families can afford it. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Apr 2022 8.16pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Apr 22 8.31pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm not going to get involved in a pointless, 'oh yes it is, oh no it isn't' argument with you over what parts of the power structures get what amounts of undemocratic power over people's lives. I'm not going to tell people what to think. People can look at what the policies are being implemented in their lives and look for themselves at what these different power structures are actually saying. There's no hiding what's happening, it's just about how that language is presented to people. People can decide for themselves as to whether they agree with what's happening to them and the amount of control they have in their lives. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Apr 2022 4.46pm) That's perfectly fine and pretty obvious that people can, and do, make up their minds. It isn't though the point. I asked you a very simple question. To identify the source of the chart that you used. Without knowing that, it's nigh on impossible to come to any kind of informed decision on its likely validity. I have now asked you four times, but you continue to deflect and dodge, to avoid answering. Nothing you have said even begins to justify not providing its source. Are you so ashamed to admit where it comes from because you are scared to do so will taint, or even destroy, your argument? So kindly provide it. There is no need for an argument over it. Knowing who published it will be enough. That alone will speak for itself.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Apr 22 8.34pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Is the long list of stupid, long signposted and easily avoidable wars this one has to be up there. A bankrupt dishonest media can't cover for low quality elites. They can double down on bad hands because ultimately their families can afford it. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Apr 2022 8.16pm) Was Neville Chamberlain a relative of yours?
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| Stirlingsays 19 Apr 22 8.50pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Was Neville Chamberlain a relative of yours? You are welcome to take up arms, not hide away in Cornwall typing bellicose words on behalf of others. The outcome of this war has been obvious for sometime and was stated by myself....even tacitly and more faintly by yourself. Apparently saying the obvious is Neville Chamberlain.....ironically the guy who declared war on Germany. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Apr 2022 8.51pm)
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| Stirlingsays 19 Apr 22 8.53pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's perfectly fine and pretty obvious that people can, and do, make up their minds. It isn't though the point. I asked you a very simple question. To identify the source of the chart that you used. Without knowing that, it's nigh on impossible to come to any kind of informed decision on its likely validity. I have now asked you four times, but you continue to deflect and dodge, to avoid answering. Nothing you have said even begins to justify not providing its source. Are you so ashamed to admit where it comes from because you are scared to do so will taint, or even destroy, your argument? So kindly provide it. There is no need for an argument over it. Knowing who published it will be enough. That alone will speak for itself. Do your own research idler.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Apr 22 9.02pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Do your own research idler. Do you seriously expect me to have to trawl through the kind of sources you use just to find a chart with a very "odd" analysis, when you could simply post it? No. That's you trying another diversion to avoid answering. You are "Taking the 5th" in all but name. You can, of course, prove me wrong and just post it. It's standard practice, and common politeness, when referencing any claim to provide its source. You know that as well as anyone else here. So just do it.
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| Stirlingsays 19 Apr 22 9.08pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Do you seriously expect me to have to trawl through the kind of sources you use just to find a chart with a very "odd" analysis, when you could simply post it? No. That's you trying another diversion to avoid answering. You are "Taking the 5th" in all but name. You can, of course, prove me wrong and just post it. It's standard practice, and common politeness, when referencing any claim to provide its source. You know that as well as anyone else here. So just do it.
Then they can listen to you. I'm not interested in your little distractions where apparently it's only valid if the establishment get to comment upon the establishment.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 19 Apr 22 9.34pm |
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Just a little side note, I was making a delivery to a bar on 67th St right opposite the Fox News studios and although I'd passed the building countless times I noticed that both the Russians and Ukrainians shared the consulate in the building situated between 3rd Ave and Lexington Avenue.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Apr 22 9.36pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You are welcome to take up arms, not hide away in Cornwall typing bellicose words on behalf of others. The outcome of this war has been obvious for sometime and was stated by myself....even tacitly and more faintly by yourself. Apparently saying the obvious is Neville Chamberlain.....ironically the guy who declared war on Germany. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Apr 2022 8.51pm) I am not hiding anywhere. At 77, it is unlikely my services will be required, although I could always join the local Dad's Army Brigade and watch the coast for invading Russians disguised as seals. You would, of course, be the equivalent of Private Fraser, always negative and crying that "we're doomed". As I have heard it suggested that a possible Putin tactic would be to explode a nuclear weapon in the SW approaches, which would kill no-one directly but terrorise with its fallout potential, I possibly have more to fear than you do. What was said by me was that the least worse outcome for the people would be a swift and bloodless end. That though was not what they wanted. To have appeased Putin by just accepting his demands would have brought the same consequences as appeasement did with Hitler. It would have encouraged him to go further, to push to see where the line in the sand was drawn. He now has a bloody nose and huge economic problems. Chamberlain had no choice but to declare war. He tried hard to avoid it, but was left with nowhere to go.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Apr 22 9.53pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Then they can listen to you. I'm not interested in your little distractions where apparently it's only valid if the establishment get to comment upon the establishment. They don't need THAT graphic to make up their minds. They need objective analysis. That one's very clearly from a one eyed source. The question is which, so that the people here can know where you get your "information". You are clearly ashamed to admit it, so I googled "the global public private partnership chart". Guess what, it's there, along with dozens of others, from well renowned, and trusted, sources like The World Bank and the UN. You can view them all here (I provide sources):- This one though only appears in a Twitter post by someone called "Branko #GreatResist. Whether it's his own work or just copied and pasted, as you have done, isn't clear. The World Bank, The United Nations and Branko #GreatResist. Who would you trust for accuracy? Don't answer, as it's clear who you trust. I'm glad we cleared that up.
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| Stirlingsays 19 Apr 22 11.38pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not hiding anywhere. At 77, it is unlikely my services will be required, although I could always join the local Dad's Army Brigade and watch the coast for invading Russians disguised as seals. You would, of course, be the equivalent of Private Fraser, always negative and crying that "we're doomed". As I have heard it suggested that a possible Putin tactic would be to explode a nuclear weapon in the SW approaches, which would kill no-one directly but terrorise with its fallout potential, I possibly have more to fear than you do. What was said by me was that the least worse outcome for the people would be a swift and bloodless end. That though was not what they wanted. To have appeased Putin by just accepting his demands would have brought the same consequences as appeasement did with Hitler. It would have encouraged him to go further, to push to see where the line in the sand was drawn. He now has a bloody nose and huge economic problems. Chamberlain had no choice but to declare war. He tried hard to avoid it, but was left with nowhere to go. This post is in turn slightly ridiculous to think Europe is under threat and then just poor analysis to compare Putin and Hitler. Hitler's ambitions were in no way a mystery. He wrote his motivations in his autobiography in the twenties. What he actually ended up doing and why can literally be read in that work. In terms of motivations Putin has been talking about Ukraine, indeed, even warning about the Ukraine for decades now. There was even a film made about it. For someone to plead ignorance over what Russia wants to do is just to practically admit that they haven't bothered to look. The idea that Putin has ambitions to take over Europe is so nonsensical that it makes your assertion that you could end up joining a 'Dad's Army' sound half way sensible. Even if he wanted to, he doesn't have the military to do it. Your level of knowledge on this is on a level with your attachment to honesty....which is so microscopically close to the floor as to ponder a practical separation. The only thing we can agree on is in the desire for a peace as soon as possible. You stick on your Dad's Army DVD (a wonderful remembrance of an England that people like you have destroyed).....it's about as close to reality as you're going to get. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Apr 2022 12.43am)
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