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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 05 Apr 20 2.37pm

Originally posted by cryrst

All shopping that comes in my front door gets wiped with a anti bac wipe (I know it isnt bacteria but not many anti viral ones around) fresh stuff all comes ready bagged potatoes mushrooms etc. As still working I go in small stores early morning so less crowded. Minimum effort to wipe over packaging. Bags go in landfill and gloves thrown along with hands washed. Just doing that should limit the risk even a small amount.
Awareness will limit risk as well.


The Mrs has started wearing a face mask in bed together.

Doesn’t affect the sex much but haven’t had a blow job for weeks

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (05 Apr 2020 2.37pm)

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 05 Apr 20 2.37pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I agree that the summer will dampen it, however, outside of a vaccine It'll only go if people catch it and become immune.

I think by next winter even though the government has tried its best to stop it a lot of us would have caught this and become immune..the majority won't even know they have had it...That's what happens with this kind of thing...Flus don't carry on and on.

The testing kits will help a lot of us....though they must be accurate.

So until testing kits for antibodies are available why are you so averse to the current measures.
Is it all about the money or the lack of naturally taking some deaths to get immunity. I'm sure many who have lost love ones regretted not taking advice if they have spread it around the family.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Apr 20 2.41pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

A balance. That’s his succinct viewpoint. There’s been some logical callers and some very bizarre ones. The best was a doctor saying everyone was going to die because most people in this country have underlying health conditions. She couldn’t counter the presenter’s points or answer his questions and just made her side of the argument less credible. ‘You aren’t even a medical spokesperson and won’t ever be’ was the best put down before putting the phone down, even though she’s probably risking her own health at work.

That's reasonable I think.

So that caller thinks if you have an underlying health condition that it means you're going to die, when the figures are quite clear it means you have a higher risk.

An old friend of mine is one of those called in and is on the front line...He's getting drunk a lot and he's pretty p1ssed off about it all.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Apr 2020 3.00pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Apr 20 2.58pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So until testing kits for antibodies are available why are you so averse to the current measures.
Is it all about the money or the lack of naturally taking some deaths to get immunity. I'm sure many who have lost love ones regretted not taking advice if they have spread it around the family.

For me this is King Canute trying to hold back the tide.

It might be true that the spending of vast amounts of money..might not make that much difference to how many die. I suspect that the amount of deaths will be decided by cultural practices and inter-generational housing and contact. That said I supported an initial lockdown and good hygienic implementations and reasonable social distancing is just sensible anyway.....We might be seeing the phasing out of hand shaking.

Once this is over and the stats and practices from various countries are analyzed hopefully a consensus can be reached.

But for me the government were correct with what they said at the start long term and are being unrealistic now.

Though I hate the term, 'herd immunity' it will probably reduce the affect of this far quicker....Perhaps by the time we actually get a vaccine it'll already be greatly weakened.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Apr 2020 3.00pm)

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 05 Apr 20 3.05pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

For me this is King Canute trying to hold back the tide.

It might be true that the spending of vast amounts of money..might not make that much difference to how many die. I suspect that the amount of deaths will be decided by cultural practices and inter-generational housing and contact. That said I supported an initial lockdown and good hygienic implementations and reasonable social distancing is just sensible anyway.....We might be seeing the phasing out of hand shaking.

Once this is over and the stats and practices from various countries are analyzed hopefully a consensus can be reached.

But for me the government were correct with what they said at the start long term and are being unrealistic now.

Though I hate the term, 'herd immunity' will probably reduce the affect of this far quicker....Perhaps by the time we actually get a vaccine it'll already be greatly weakened.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Apr 2020 2.59pm)

The problem with herd immunity is that many 1000s will need ventilators if left to garner an immunity in that way. That wouldn't be realistic from a moral point of view let alone how it would play politically. Imagine young fit people dying because it was decided by a lottery if you got it bad or not. Tbh if young kids and young adults started dying in numbers because of a lax attitude and lack of nhs space and equipment how would you feel personally. You yourself have two young children, surely you would be taking a chance with their lives god forbid.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 05 Apr 20 3.06pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

For me this is King Canute trying to hold back the tide.

It might be true that the spending of vast amounts of money..might not make that much difference to how many die. I suspect that the amount of deaths will be decided by cultural practices and inter-generational housing and contact. That said I supported an initial lockdown and good hygienic implementations and reasonable social distancing is just sensible anyway.....We might be seeing the phasing out of hand shaking.

Once this is over and the stats and practices from various countries are analyzed hopefully a consensus can be reached.

But for me the government were correct with what they said at the start long term and are being unrealistic now.

Though I hate the term, 'herd immunity' it will probably reduce the affect of this far quicker....Perhaps by the time we actually get a vaccine it'll already be greatly weakened.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Apr 2020 3.00pm)

Which part of 'people that would otherwise survive will die without hospitalisation' is hard to understand? Perfectly healthy, often young, people will die unnecessarily.

Then which part of 'we are close to overloading our hospitals and will do if we don't slow the spread down by radical action' is hard to understand?

And finally, which part of 'if we can delay the onset for as many people as possible it's likely we shall have better treatment in a few months time' is hard to understand?

This is a very real crisis for so many families. Some empathy is important from us all, albeit not everyone is capable of that.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Apr 20 3.18pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

The problem with herd immunity is that many 1000s will need ventilators if left to garner an immunity in that way. That wouldn't be realistic from a moral point of view let alone how it would play politically. Imagine young fit people dying because it was decided by a lottery if you got it bad or not. Tbh if young kids and young adults started dying in numbers because of a lax attitude and lack of nhs space and equipment how would you feel personally. You yourself have two young children, surely you would be taking a chance with their lives god forbid.

I hear you but herd immunity will happen regardless.

Nature doesn't have a 'moral point of view' and this virus will kill those who succumb to it that we can't save. Obviously I support vulnerable people being protected but I think what is being asked for is unrealistic.

Thankfully this virus rarely harms young children.


 


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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 05 Apr 20 3.21pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Suspect there is also a Tom Sawyer aspect to this - had the government instructed everyone to go to the park every day there would be thousands refusing.

Funny- and true!

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 05 Apr 20 3.30pm

Originally posted by Willo

If the Police take a more robust approach they will no doubt be accused of "Police brutality" by Civil Liberties groups.

I do get the impression that there are many who believe that if they go to a park, or seafront as a household and adhere to social-distancing to their destination whilst they are there and on their return home they are not blameworthy.

Could we not bring back the army sniper, positioned on the cliff overlooking the beach, after taking a couple out on the beach, it would surely solve the problem whilst giving said sniper some practice, in case some chinese or soviet gets ideas that this is a great time to seize some land as one and a half billion people will need extra space in a post corona world !

Edited by Willo (05 Apr 2020 1.40pm)

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 05 Apr 20 3.55pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend


A sniper on the beach? Get Carter was really ahead of it’s time.

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 05 Apr 20 4.01pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Would

We know

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 05 Apr 20 4.02pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


A sniper on the beach? Get Carter was really ahead of it’s time.

It was ! Taking out the beach walkers would send out a message for the coming warm summer days, when the food shortages start again and people are still venturing out, without any cash but very hungry, maybe a few beachwalkers is a small price to pay if it stops massive civil unrest in the cities! And lets be honest, those lucky enough to walk to the beach and letting us all know about it are really the same as those taking a selfie of their seaview from home, i have a place in hampshire 3 mins from the beach so im not jealous, but don"t talk about it,,,,,,,,until now obvs!

 

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