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 OldFella  London 18 Feb 15 12.12pm |
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Quote legaleagle at 18 Feb 2015 9.02am
Unfortunately,you have completely missed the point I was making and gone into "attack is the best form of defence,I've beeen misrepresented" mode. I was demonising our consistently "duplicitous/scape goating/divide and rule" leaders generally over the past 100 years plus (in fact much much longer than that).No blame attributed to the general populace in my post.My post was largely about treatment of ex-services personnel.A prior poster had linked that with treatment of immigrants.Another with duplicitous leaders.I was simply pointing out that treatment of ex-service personnel has been naff for many decades and so current treatment of them should be seen in that context and not as something that has arisen recently and results from immigrants being allocated resources that were it not for their presence would be allocated to ex-service personnel.Ex-service personnel have been getting shafted in a land with housing problems and unemployment issues as long ago as the 1920's,when plainly large-scale immigration was not taking place Edited by legaleagle (18 Feb 2015 9.11am)
If I remember correctly earlier in the thread you said of me: 'I do get the feeling your actual deep down key issue is your dislike of immigrants because of "non-English" ethnicity ' I said that's basically calling me a racist to which you have continually insisted it wasn't and you insist that being averse to different ethnicity isn't the same as racism.....I'm happy for others to judge whether that's warm words or not. I think it's fair to refer to that when partly connecting the rise and popularity of UKIP to the accusations and finger pointing that some on the left have promoted for decades. However I didn't and don't intend to reengage in another round of 'you said this, no I didn't' posts. Others can decide.
I've decided.
Agreed...not even close
Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it.. |
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| Stirlingsays 18 Feb 15 12.49pm |
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I've decided. Go on then!
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| Stirlingsays 18 Feb 15 12.51pm |
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Quote OldFella at 18 Feb 2015 12.12pm
Agreed...not even close Another voice of reason, cheers.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Feb 15 1.05pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 18 Feb 2015 12.49pm
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I've decided. Go on then!
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The Sash  Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 18 Feb 15 1.22pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 18 Feb 2015 1.05pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 18 Feb 2015 12.49pm
Quote nickgusset at 18 Feb 2015 11.32am
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Quote nickgusset at 18 Feb 2015 11.07am
I've decided. Go on then!
With such a despicable Tory government doing what good despicable Tory governments are supposed to do, Labour should be hoovering up all of their votes with ease in places like Rochester , but they aren't because Labour and the left cared little for them or their votes under Blair and UKIP have filled the void. The left ignored them, denigrated them and instead of dealing with them as a demographic instead created a grotesque caricature of them as ignorant, shaven headed, little Englander racists, which in some cases maybe true, most cases not - there can be no whingeing now they are getting their own back and Labour are being bitten on the arse surely ??? Edited by The Sash (18 Feb 2015 1.32pm)
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| matt_himself Matataland 18 Feb 15 1.26pm |
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Interesting...
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Feb 15 1.31pm |
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Quote The Sash at 18 Feb 2015 1.22pm
With such a despicable Tory government doing what good Tory governments are supposed to do, All I will say is :
If you get me on my political "Soapbox" the "No Standing" shall pale into insignificance.Best I keep well out of this debate. Edited by Willo (18 Feb 2015 1.31pm)
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| The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 18 Feb 15 1.33pm |
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Quote Willo at 18 Feb 2015 1.31pm
Quote The Sash at 18 Feb 2015 1.22pm
With such a despicable Tory government doing what good Tory governments are supposed to do, All I will say is :
If you get me on my political "Soapbox" the "No Standing" shall pale into insignificance.Best I keep well out of this debate. Edited by Willo (18 Feb 2015 1.31pm)
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| Stirlingsays 18 Feb 15 1.34pm |
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Quote The Sash at 18 Feb 2015 1.22pm
Quote nickgusset at 18 Feb 2015 1.05pm
So I deserve UKIP because some people are racist? Hmm.
With such a despicable Tory government doing what good Tory governments are supposed to do, Labour should be hovering up all of their votes with ease in places like Rochester et al, but they aren't because Labour and the left cared little for them or their votes under Blair. The left ignored them, denigrated them and instead of dealing with them as a demographic instead created a grotesque caricature of them as ignorant, shaven headed, little Englander racists, which in some cases maybe true, most cases not - there can be no whingeing now they are getting their own back and Labour are being bitten on the arse surely ??? Edited by The Sash (18 Feb 2015 1.23pm) Well put....Nail is hit precisely on its head.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Feb 15 1.36pm |
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Quote The Sash at 18 Feb 2015 1.33pm
Quote Willo at 18 Feb 2015 1.31pm
Quote The Sash at 18 Feb 2015 1.22pm
With such a despicable Tory government doing what good Tory governments are supposed to do, All I will say is :
If you get me on my political "Soapbox" the "No Standing" shall pale into insignificance.Best I keep well out of this debate. Edited by Willo (18 Feb 2015 1.31pm)
LOL !
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Feb 15 1.36pm |
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Quote The Sash at 18 Feb 2015 1.22pm
Quote nickgusset at 18 Feb 2015 1.05pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 18 Feb 2015 12.49pm
Quote nickgusset at 18 Feb 2015 11.32am
Quote Stirlingsays at 18 Feb 2015 11.09am
Quote nickgusset at 18 Feb 2015 11.07am
I've decided. Go on then!
With such a despicable Tory government doing what good despicable Tory governments are supposed to do, Labour should be hoovering up all of their votes with ease in places like Rochester , but they aren't because Labour and the left cared little for them or their votes under Blair and UKIP have filled the void. The left ignored them, denigrated them and instead of dealing with them as a demographic instead created a grotesque caricature of them as ignorant, shaven headed, little Englander racists, which in some cases maybe true, most cases not - there can be no whingeing now they are getting their own back and Labour are being bitten on the arse surely ??? Edited by The Sash (18 Feb 2015 1.32pm) Whilst I agree with your assessment, I myself don't support Labour anymore (even though I think they are the lesser evil of the 2 big parties), I struggle to see how a party full of ex (failed) Tories and the odd labourite thrown in can claim to represent the working class.
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| The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 18 Feb 15 1.41pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 18 Feb 2015 1.36pm
Quote The Sash at 18 Feb 2015 1.22pm
Quote nickgusset at 18 Feb 2015 1.05pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 18 Feb 2015 12.49pm
Quote nickgusset at 18 Feb 2015 11.32am
Quote Stirlingsays at 18 Feb 2015 11.09am
Quote nickgusset at 18 Feb 2015 11.07am
I've decided. Go on then!
With such a despicable Tory government doing what good despicable Tory governments are supposed to do, Labour should be hoovering up all of their votes with ease in places like Rochester , but they aren't because Labour and the left cared little for them or their votes under Blair and UKIP have filled the void. The left ignored them, denigrated them and instead of dealing with them as a demographic instead created a grotesque caricature of them as ignorant, shaven headed, little Englander racists, which in some cases maybe true, most cases not - there can be no whingeing now they are getting their own back and Labour are being bitten on the arse surely ??? Edited by The Sash (18 Feb 2015 1.32pm) Whilst I agree with your assessment, I myself don't support Labour anymore (even though I think they are the lesser evil of the 2 big parties), I struggle to see how a party full of ex (failed) Tories and the odd labourite thrown in can claim to represent the working class.
Ultimately the wishes of the electorate, in all mainstream parties, comes well down the list of their priorities in reality, but if you can tell them what they want to hear over a pint of good old British Bitter without spilling over your shirt then it means votes.
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