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silvertop Portishead 08 Apr 24 3.24pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I’ve never made an anti-Jew post. Anti-Israel certainly. I’m sure there are hundreds of threads on here that you don’t take part in - I’m not sure why that matters. That is one of the issues. Israelis and diaspora Jews do not see a distinction. All rubbish, of course. How can criticizing the current Israeli government precisely equate to criticism of all 12 tribes of Israel, wherever they are? Unfortunately, a people who understand oppression more than anyone and who punch way above their weight in all aspects of intellectual and creative achievement have a genuine blind spot on this.
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georgenorman 08 Apr 24 3.59pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Feel free to explain it then. You spend a great deal of time attacking what you see as atrocities committed by them but are pretty much silent on Islamist atrocities such as those detailed in the other thread that I mentioned. The current situation on Gaza is part of the war between the fascist Islamists against Jews, democracy and the West. I know which side I support, do you know which side you support.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 08 Apr 24 4.47pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You spend a great deal of time attacking what you see as atrocities committed by them but are pretty much silent on Islamist atrocities such as those detailed in the other thread that I mentioned. The current situation on Gaza is part of the war between the fascist Islamists against Jews, democracy and the West. I know which side I support, do you know which side you support. Oh cool, we're doing this bit again. The atrocities in Gaza are being committed by a state who are our trade partner and military ally. These are actions which were, certainly in immediate aftermath of October 7th, green lighted by pretty much the entirety of our political class. As a result, this situation holds far more of my attention than other acts of terror which take place around the globe, as horrible as they are. This is not a war against democracy nor against the West (much of Europe is now overtly in opposition to Israel's action) - that is fantasy talk to try and give credibility to an unnecessary genocide, and presumably an attempt to make yourself feel more comfortable with your support of the ongoing slaughter of children. As I have said countless times, I 'support' the preservation of innocent human lives, nothing more.
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georgenorman 08 Apr 24 4.54pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Oh cool, we're doing this bit again. The atrocities in Gaza are being committed by a state who are our trade partner and military ally. These are actions which were, certainly in immediate aftermath of October 7th, green lighted by pretty much the entirety of our political class. As a result, this situation holds far more of my attention than other acts of terror which take place around the globe, as horrible as they are. This is not a war against democracy nor against the West (much of Europe is now overtly in opposition to Israel's action) - that is fantasy talk to try and give credibility to an unnecessary genocide, and presumably an attempt to make yourself feel more comfortable with your support of the ongoing slaughter of children. As I have said countless times, I 'support' the preservation of innocent human lives, nothing more. It is part of the wider conflict caused by the rise of militant Islamism. It is not true much of Europe is now overtly in opposition to Israel, there has been some criticism from some European governments of particular events in the conflict. I don't support the slaughter of children, Hamas of course do, as do, many of those on the weekly marches in London. People get killed in wars, Israel is not deliberately slaughtering children, Hamas did though. 'nothing more' - yeah, sure.
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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Apr 24 9.33pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
And yet bleating about immigration or the erosion of British values on the very same website is worthwhile, is it? When you makes the exact same anti immigrant post for the 400th time this year, that’s because you’re driving policy change, right? Even for you that’s an absolute stinker of a point.
I ain't doing it for points. It might not have occurred to you that I am British and therefore concern myself primarily with how policy affects my country and my immediate situation. One can shout as loud as one likes about Gaza, but no one in Israel or the Hamas leadership is listening.
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NJ CLOCKTOWER Tarragona 09 Apr 24 5.13am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I see the faux-academic mask is slipping - that didn't take long. Pro-Israel posters on this thread invariably end up throwing insults around as they tie themselves further and further in moral knots to try and justify a position which simply can't be justified. You're just the latest victim of that, so I'm not surprised. I am quite curious as to why people do it rather than just acknowledge an obvious truth - no doubt there are religious/cultural ties to Israel in some cases, and in others I think extreme Islamophobia is the driving force, but it's such a strange hill to die on - mental gymnastics to make yourself comfortable with a genocidal regime massacring women and children. A very strange phenomena.
You continue to ignore the important points and get upset if you feel that someone has insulted you just like you called me a 6 year old. You have nothing constructive to say. All that comes out are sound bites. It seems that your conversations go around in circles. What is your solution what do you think should happen?
Can you do that? Can You address the solutions that I have presented and contradict them. Or are you just going to keep going on about whether someone has insulted you or not
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NJ CLOCKTOWER Tarragona 09 Apr 24 5.18am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
"It's always the military superpower who is a signatory of the Geneva convention and purports to respect international law who are expected to abide by it, but this murderous terrorist organisation don't do it either!" Your bias towards Hamas often stems from various factors such as historical narratives, media coverage, geopolitical alliances, and ideological viewpoints, and whatever is trending.
Israel has every right to protect itself.
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NJ CLOCKTOWER Tarragona 09 Apr 24 5.22am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Oh cool, we're doing this bit again. The atrocities in Gaza are being committed by a state who are our trade partner and military ally. These are actions which were, certainly in immediate aftermath of October 7th, green lighted by pretty much the entirety of our political class. As a result, this situation holds far more of my attention than other acts of terror which take place around the globe, as horrible as they are. This is not a war against democracy nor against the West (much of Europe is now overtly in opposition to Israel's action) - that is fantasy talk to try and give credibility to an unnecessary genocide, and presumably an attempt to make yourself feel more comfortable with your support of the ongoing slaughter of children. As I have said countless times, I 'support' the preservation of innocent human lives, nothing more. It sounds like you're expressing a nuanced perspective on the situation, emphasizing the importance of preserving innocent lives amidst conflict of, yet you never include the hostages in your rhetoric it's always the Palestinian civilians.. Your focus on humanitarian concerns are not commendable. It's crucial to seek solutions that prioritize peace and protection for all civilians involved. You have selective empathy.
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NJ CLOCKTOWER Tarragona 09 Apr 24 5.27am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Oh cool, we're doing this bit again. The atrocities in Gaza are being committed by a state who are our trade partner and military ally. These are actions which were, certainly in immediate aftermath of October 7th, green lighted by pretty much the entirety of our political class. As a result, this situation holds far more of my attention than other acts of terror which take place around the globe, as horrible as they are. This is not a war against democracy nor against the West (much of Europe is now overtly in opposition to Israel's action) - that is fantasy talk to try and give credibility to an unnecessary genocide, and presumably an attempt to make yourself feel more comfortable with your support of the ongoing slaughter of children. As I have said countless times, I 'support' the preservation of innocent human lives, nothing more. Then post something about the Israel has the right to defend itself and fighting terrorists is a complex that nuanced situation. anybody, with a gram of common sense knows that. Yes! many civilians are dying. Hostages are still hostages. And all of this is because of hamas. Not israel.
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NJ CLOCKTOWER Tarragona 09 Apr 24 5.31am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I’ve never made an anti-Jew post. Anti-Israel certainly. I’m sure there are hundreds of threads on here that you don’t take part in - I’m not sure why that matters. I strongly condemn any form of hate speech or discrimination, whether it's directed towards individuals based on their ethnicity, religion, or nationality. Anti-Semitism and anti-Israel sentiment can often intersect, but it's crucial to distinguish between criticizing policies and ideologies versus perpetuating harmful stereotypes or promoting hatred towards a particular group of people. Hamas, on the other hand you can hate as much as you like
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NJ CLOCKTOWER Tarragona 09 Apr 24 7.02am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
"It's always the military superpower who is a signatory of the Geneva convention and purports to respect international law who are expected to abide by it, but this murderous terrorist organisation don't do it either!" Your statement expresses frustration regarding the perceived unequal treatment of Israel and Hamas in the context of conflicts in the Middle East, particularly when it comes to international law and responsibilities. The statement highlights the expectation for Israel, as a military superpower and signatory of the Geneva Convention, to uphold international law while questioning the actions of Hamas. it is true that expectations for countries like Israel, which are seen as having more military capabilities and international standing, tend to be higher when it comes to adhering to international law. This expectation is based on their capacity for control and influence in the region. However, it is also crucial to acknowledge that allegations and reports of human rights violations or breaches of international law occur on both sides of the conflict. Hamas, as an organization, has faced criticism for its tactics and actions, including launching rocket attacks against Israeli civilian areas. Israel has been under terrorist threats since 1948.
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NJ CLOCKTOWER Tarragona 09 Apr 24 7.07am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Oh just see it for what it is, which to be clear is the murder of thousands of children by an advanced military, no bother at all. Let’s have a discussion about immigration again instead - that would be really interesting.
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