I thought you were above "conspiracy theories" ...........

Did they actually say that or was that the spin that the media put on it? So far as I am aware before a recession is declared there has to be a series of months of negative growth. Early results usually come with caveats advising that they need to be treated with caution.

The only thing I am sticking up for is a realistic and cool appraisal rather than one that is looking for mud to sling.

The ONS don’t have a political agenda. The collect and publish data. They then sometimes try to explain what it might indicate.

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Hahahahaha it's a conspiracy theory! You have joined us "conspiracy theorists" it took you long enough!

Well, I don't think he's a hack.

If I remember correctly the vaccines only deal with the spike protein....they look for one aspect, the most important one but that single identifying aspect.

Natural immunity is more nunanced than that so personally while there are always specifics to individual cases I don't regard it as a 'can' and more of an 'is'.

And as regards catchy headlines go I regard the misinformation spread by...and enforced by official sources as far more misleading and dangerous.....telling people that masks were important...enough to arrest people...telling people that vaccines stopped transmission when that was always a lie....with that lie meaning that logically vaccinated people's guard would drop along with their social distancing and more infections would occur not less.

Well as that conclusion goes pretty much against the conclusion reached in this study it comes down to what you believe is accurate.

Personally I go with which studies are independent of 'interested' funding sources.....and Israel seems to contain more of them. And they are hardly anti vaccine as they are amongst the most vaccinated countries.

Also, the fact that our own government went from 60 to zero on enforcing vaccines tells its own story. Covid did require a serious response but what happened wasn't only a financial crime and destruction of wealth.....it was an attack on civil liberties....an attack on mental health....on children's education...and on vulnerable's people healthcare.

The excess deaths that have occurred since all these actions.....far larger than anything covid....is a damning indictment of everything that happened.

Some of us spoke up at the time and underwent the scourge of the frightened majority. However, I believe that we have been proven right.

But there is no enjoyment or celebration in tragedy.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

What you mean like this

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One more point

It might be better to learn why from the BBC and their lawyers themselves, rather than rely on a report in the Mail. I don’t know, or why they haven’t explained, but I guess it is all down to legal considerations. Publishing information not discussed in Court opens up the possibilities of a libel claim so I suspect they were instructed to modify the report to avoid that happening.

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