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Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
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BlueJay  UK 18 Apr 22 7.31am |
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RE: polling, I think it this point support for anything that also increased the cost of living is a tough ask. Am surprised that only 55% oppose deploying troops to Ukraine directly, since that would be a clear escalation. As far as this conflict has gone, the West has been consistent and sensible in its response, while Russia reaches a point where it will is now perceived in a way that there is no coming back from for a generation. Edited by BlueJay (18 Apr 2022 3.56pm)
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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 18 Apr 22 8.58am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
I'm pretty sure they have joined the modern world. Is it not yourself who informs us of Russian intervention into our very lives via social media? That's fairly modern. Or do you really mean "until Russia is persuaded to join the Western world"? Being able to use technology developed in the west against the west is not the same as joining the modern world. What I mean is not just the common standards of the western democracies. It's an acceptance of the reality of an interdependent world and not one based on individual perceptions. Putin has said that if Russia ceased to exist, then there would be no point in the world existing. Which is scary enough on its own, but also indicates what I mean.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Apr 22 9.07am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
These are intractable differences between us. I don't know who on these boards actually supports your ideas about the elites and that's independent of left or right. I have no idea whether anyone else "supports my ideas"! Maybe they haven't thought about them, but maybe they will. There is a great deal of baloney spread around about this, which does not stand up to critical analysis. You have posted that graphic before as though it is a definitive statement of fact. It isn't. It's the opinion of someone who either thinks like you or, more likely, is someone who influences you. I have asked you before where it comes from, and you declined to answer. Maybe you will now, as knowing who published it would inform on its validity.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Apr 22 2.12pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I have no idea whether anyone else "supports my ideas"! Maybe they haven't thought about them, but maybe they will. There is a great deal of baloney spread around about this, which does not stand up to critical analysis. You have posted that graphic before as though it is a definitive statement of fact. It isn't. It's the opinion of someone who either thinks like you or, more likely, is someone who influences you. I have asked you before where it comes from, and you declined to answer. Maybe you will now, as knowing who published it would inform on its validity. All those structures are easily researched and validated. Of course I know which organisation put that graphic together. Your position is that any organisation that criticises and is against the current globalist establishment is invalid. A position I find totally ridiculous. I'm fine with you regarding me with no credibility because I see your beliefs as at the very core of what's wrong in the west with western decline, both social and economic, as the evidence. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Apr 2022 2.12pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 18 Apr 22 2.55pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
AKA polling, I think it this point support for anything that also increased the cost of living is a tough ask. Am surprised that only 55% oppose deploying troops to Ukraine directly, since that would be a clear escalation. As far as this conflict has gone, the West has been consistent and sensible in its response, while Russia reaches a point where it will is now perceived in a way that there is no coming back from for a generation.
The West? 'All talk and no trousers'. Putin has read this correctly, regrettably.
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 georgenorman 18 Apr 22 3.07pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The West? 'All talk and no trousers'. Putin has read this correctly, regrettably. Why do you live in the West that you hate so much, why don't you go and live in North Korea.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 18 Apr 22 3.09pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Why do you live in the West that you hate so much, why don't you go and live in North Korea. Troll
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| georgenorman 18 Apr 22 4.02pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Troll Commie
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Apr 22 6.22pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
All those structures are easily researched and validated. Of course I know which organisation put that graphic together. Your position is that any organisation that criticises and is against the current globalist establishment is invalid. A position I find totally ridiculous. I'm fine with you regarding me with no credibility because I see your beliefs as at the very core of what's wrong in the west with western decline, both social and economic, as the evidence. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Apr 2022 2.12pm) Individually all of them can be researched, but that, as I am sure you know, isn't the point. It is their positioning and the assumptions that flow from it, which is. I already know that you know who produced it. So why won't you share that information? Are you ashamed to admit its source? If it has validity, then there ought to be no need for that. All the time you dodge the question, the value is in doubt, so let's hear it! Criticism needs to be criticised and to do that objectively the biases of the critic need to be known. That is particularly true when a chart like that makes assertions without reasoning. If it's from the UN then we take it seriously. If it's from Infowars, we don't. Things "decline" (I prefer change) for many reasons. Assuming your prejudices explain the only reasons for that is obviously ridiculous.
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| Stirlingsays 19 Apr 22 4.37pm |
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There has been heavy fighting across the entire front all day, Russia forces have broken through Ukrainian lines in a number of places. Time will tell if those breaks are sustained and expanded or are push backed.
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Attachment: | Stirlingsays 19 Apr 22 4.41pm |
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Reports are Russians are dropping serious armaments on the Azovstal steel plant. Apparently the explosions were heard apparently as far away as Rostov.
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| Stirlingsays 19 Apr 22 4.45pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Individually all of them can be researched, but that, as I am sure you know, isn't the point. It is their positioning and the assumptions that flow from it, which is. I already know that you know who produced it. So why won't you share that information? Are you ashamed to admit its source? If it has validity, then there ought to be no need for that. All the time you dodge the question, the value is in doubt, so let's hear it! Criticism needs to be criticised and to do that objectively the biases of the critic need to be known. That is particularly true when a chart like that makes assertions without reasoning. If it's from the UN then we take it seriously. If it's from Infowars, we don't. Things "decline" (I prefer change) for many reasons. Assuming your prejudices explain the only reasons for that is obviously ridiculous. I'm not going to get involved in a pointless, 'oh yes it is, oh no it isn't' argument with you over what parts of the power structures get what amounts of undemocratic power over people's lives. I'm not going to tell people what to think. People can look at what the policies are being implemented in their lives and look for themselves at what these different power structures are actually saying. There's no hiding what's happening, it's just about how that language is presented to people. People can decide for themselves as to whether they agree with what's happening to them and the amount of control they have in their lives. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Apr 2022 4.46pm)
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