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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jan 21 4.55pm
Originally posted by Arthur Waite I have read recent comments and picking up on a few: I think we are in trouble. However, does the chairman see it that way too? Clearly not. There is no joy or excitement with Palace at the moment- there hasn't been for some considerable time. Last night, it was great to take a lead, be in front, be momentarily on the front foot! However, we know the outcome! Who's fault? In any organisation, the leader has to take responsibility. Therefore that falls to SP and RH. Guaita has literally saved us many, many times, but he seems to have lost all confidence. Butland needs to be brought in now. Mitchell and Clyne in the main, have done well. I understand why Kouyate played defence earlier in season, BUT he is not a defender- he needs to go. For us to score we need to create chances. Townsend is at the end. Why is he playing? Mac works so hard and at least appears that he wants to win. Luca is not effective anymore and is an accident waiting to happen with his discipline. Eze is a star in the making. Please play him in his right position. Why is he stuck out on the left?? Zaha is NOT an out and out striker. Please play him appropriately. We have nothing to lose (apart from Prem status!), so please play Mateta against Wolves. We NEED something different, but we need to create the chances. Roy OUT- We need a different manager to ignite and save our season before it is too late. Supporting Palace used to be fun- this is torture! As well as Steve Parish there are major American investors who make up the 'Board'. They might look at our situation in the table and with some 'Daylight' between us and the relegation zone they might think why remove the services of a manager who has secured his objective of staying in the PL for successive and protecting their investments ? He is tried and trusted and we are not cut adrift in the relegation zone. If we were in the bottom three and getting cut adrift that would be a different situation.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jan 21 4.55pm

Originally posted by Arthur Waite

I have read recent comments and picking up on a few:
I think we are in trouble.
However, does the chairman see it that way too? Clearly not.

There is no joy or excitement with Palace at the moment- there hasn't been for some considerable time.
Last night, it was great to take a lead, be in front, be momentarily on the front foot!

However, we know the outcome!

Who's fault?

In any organisation, the leader has to take responsibility. Therefore that falls to SP and RH.

Guaita has literally saved us many, many times, but he seems to have lost all confidence. Butland needs to be brought in now.

Mitchell and Clyne in the main, have done well.

I understand why Kouyate played defence earlier in season, BUT he is not a defender- he needs to go.

For us to score we need to create chances. Townsend is at the end. Why is he playing?
Mac works so hard and at least appears that he wants to win.
Luca is not effective anymore and is an accident waiting to happen with his discipline.

Eze is a star in the making. Please play him in his right position. Why is he stuck out on the left??

Zaha is NOT an out and out striker. Please play him appropriately.

We have nothing to lose (apart from Prem status!), so please play Mateta against Wolves. We NEED something different, but we need to create the chances.

Roy OUT- We need a different manager to ignite and save our season before it is too late.

Supporting Palace used to be fun- this is torture!

As well as Steve Parish there are major American investors who make up the 'Board'.

They might look at our situation in the table and with some 'Daylight' between us and the relegation zone they might think why remove the services of a manager who has secured his objective of staying in the PL for successive and protecting their investments ? He is tried and trusted and we are not cut adrift in the relegation zone.
If we were in the bottom three and getting cut adrift that would be a different situation.

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Arthur Waite Portsmouth 27 Jan 21 4.57pm
This thread, being 180 pages long- almost like 'War and Peace', proves that a great majority of fans are dissatisfied and are genuinely concerned about our Prem league safety, in addition to the excessively long time that fans have been 'fed' negative tactics. Hodgson is a wordsmith- he is articulate and media savvy and comes across in a knowledgeable way, BUT if you analyse what he says, it is the same each week and everything that he says by way of improvement required, is never fulfilled. Please consider one thing: if the management doesn't change something, we will get the same result. eg. big losses! I hope that SP is a subscriber to this forum!
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Portsmouth 27 Jan 21 4.57pm

This thread, being 180 pages long- almost like 'War and Peace', proves that a great majority of fans are dissatisfied and are genuinely concerned about our Prem league safety, in addition to the excessively long time that fans have been 'fed' negative tactics.

Hodgson is a wordsmith- he is articulate and media savvy and comes across in a knowledgeable way, BUT if you analyse what he says, it is the same each week and everything that he says by way of improvement required, is never fulfilled.

Please consider one thing: if the management doesn't change something, we will get the same result. eg. big losses!

I hope that SP is a subscriber to this forum!

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jeeagles 27 Jan 21 5.20pm
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt I doubt he'd come, but more to the point, do you honestly think the football would be noticeably better under him? Newcastle were awful to watch under him. Roy (or Dyche) achieve much the same for less. I take your wider point about the league being a closed shop for managers, and agree that every new appointment in the dugout is a gamble to some extent, but that's the point. I don't think enough people see replacing Roy as a gamble - too many think it is bound to be an improvement. It's not. The result is much more important than the style. Benitez won the Champion's League with Liverpool, Hodgson got sacked in 5 months. It would be very difficult to attract him to the club, but would definitely be a statement of intent from the club along with the new academy and stand. Roy's currently going to play 4-4-2 in every game, which isn't working. The team is failing in every department and metric. It's very unlikely that anyone half decent could make the situation worse, so getting rid of him is currently less of a gamble than keeping him.
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27 Jan 21 5.20pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I doubt he'd come, but more to the point, do you honestly think the football would be noticeably better under him? Newcastle were awful to watch under him. Roy (or Dyche) achieve much the same for less.

I take your wider point about the league being a closed shop for managers, and agree that every new appointment in the dugout is a gamble to some extent, but that's the point. I don't think enough people see replacing Roy as a gamble - too many think it is bound to be an improvement. It's not.

The result is much more important than the style. Benitez won the Champion's League with Liverpool, Hodgson got sacked in 5 months. It would be very difficult to attract him to the club, but would definitely be a statement of intent from the club along with the new academy and stand.

Roy's currently going to play 4-4-2 in every game, which isn't working. The team is failing in every department and metric. It's very unlikely that anyone half decent could make the situation worse, so getting rid of him is currently less of a gamble than keeping him.

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ambrose7 Croydon 27 Jan 21 5.34pm
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt We all want the best manager Palace can get. Parish does too. I don't post in defence of Roy as such, but more to criticise those saying that 'anyone would be better than Hodgson'. To me, those posts demonstrate blissful ignorance of his achievements, the relatively low quality of the squad, our budget, and the great importance of staying in this league. I think Roy will certainly keep us up, and remain unconvinced that there is a better alternative. Fair play to you for actually naming a candidate, but for me Thomas Frank is one of a number of deeply unconvincing 'candidates'. Regarding results, Frank has done well without achieving anything great. He got Brentford to the play off final and lost. Holloway went one better. Warnock, several times, got better results. Jokanivic did it at Watford and Fulham. None of those are good enough managers for us, so it cannot be that Frank is a good candidate based on results alone. To his credit, Frank develops young players, but not to any greater extent than Mark Warburton did, or Dean Smith, both of whom did every bit as well as Frank at Brentford. Take the coach out of the club though and they look a bit different. Warburton hasn't shone since leaving Brentford, and Smith was very lucky to keep his job and his club up last year. He is only doing well this year after another massive injection of funds he simply would not get at Palace. I'm not dismissing the role Frank played in developing players at Brentford, but he hasn't done anything that some other, subsequently unimpressive coaches have also done in that system. Finally, and this I think is the main thing for most people, the style of football Frank plays is better than Roy's. Well, yes, but so was the style Palace played under Freedman and Holloway when we had one of the better squads in the championship. It was when we got to the premier league that we found it was not so simple. I would of course support Frank if we went for him, or Howe, or anyone else, but I think it will only be when we have replaced him that some will see how well Hodgson, for all his obvious faults, has done. I think that's a pretty fair post. The one point that's missing from it and much of the debate is that Roy is 73. Even if we were to keep him, every season starts with the idea that it might be his last. For as long as that continues, we can only be treading water because we can't ever have a 2 year plan. We've got three additional years out of the league from Roy and for that I think he'll get credit. I still struggle with the question of were we to go down this year, what do we have to show for it? We'll soon be able to say a new academy, but it'd be a comparatively poor training ground, a squad poorly equipped to do well in a 46 game Championship season due to age and contract lengths, and no stadium progress. As long as we have a manager on the verge of retirement, I don't feel we're able to plan and therefore progress. On the basis that Roy will go sometime 'soon', that time being prior to June 30th 2021 feels as good a time as any. 26th January 2010 - Enter Administration 2nd May 2010 - D-Day 1 - Survival at Hillsborough 1st June 2010 - D-Day 2 - Survival at Lloyds 7th June 2010 - CPFC2010 exchange contracts.
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ambrose7

Croydon 27 Jan 21 5.34pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

We all want the best manager Palace can get. Parish does too.

I don't post in defence of Roy as such, but more to criticise those saying that 'anyone would be better than Hodgson'. To me, those posts demonstrate blissful ignorance of his achievements, the relatively low quality of the squad, our budget, and the great importance of staying in this league.

I think Roy will certainly keep us up, and remain unconvinced that there is a better alternative. Fair play to you for actually naming a candidate, but for me Thomas Frank is one of a number of deeply unconvincing 'candidates'.

Regarding results, Frank has done well without achieving anything great. He got Brentford to the play off final and lost. Holloway went one better. Warnock, several times, got better results. Jokanivic did it at Watford and Fulham. None of those are good enough managers for us, so it cannot be that Frank is a good candidate based on results alone.

To his credit, Frank develops young players, but not to any greater extent than Mark Warburton did, or Dean Smith, both of whom did every bit as well as Frank at Brentford. Take the coach out of the club though and they look a bit different.

Warburton hasn't shone since leaving Brentford, and Smith was very lucky to keep his job and his club up last year. He is only doing well this year after another massive injection of funds he simply would not get at Palace.

I'm not dismissing the role Frank played in developing players at Brentford, but he hasn't done anything that some other, subsequently unimpressive coaches have also done in that system.

Finally, and this I think is the main thing for most people, the style of football Frank plays is better than Roy's. Well, yes, but so was the style Palace played under Freedman and Holloway when we had one of the better squads in the championship. It was when we got to the premier league that we found it was not so simple.

I would of course support Frank if we went for him, or Howe, or anyone else, but I think it will only be when we have replaced him that some will see how well Hodgson, for all his obvious faults, has done.

I think that's a pretty fair post.

The one point that's missing from it and much of the debate is that Roy is 73. Even if we were to keep him, every season starts with the idea that it might be his last. For as long as that continues, we can only be treading water because we can't ever have a 2 year plan.

We've got three additional years out of the league from Roy and for that I think he'll get credit. I still struggle with the question of were we to go down this year, what do we have to show for it? We'll soon be able to say a new academy, but it'd be a comparatively poor training ground, a squad poorly equipped to do well in a 46 game Championship season due to age and contract lengths, and no stadium progress. As long as we have a manager on the verge of retirement, I don't feel we're able to plan and therefore progress.

On the basis that Roy will go sometime 'soon', that time being prior to June 30th 2021 feels as good a time as any.

26th January 2010 - Enter Administration
2nd May 2010 - D-Day 1 - Survival at Hillsborough
1st June 2010 - D-Day 2 - Survival at Lloyds
7th June 2010 - CPFC2010 exchange contracts.

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Gary St.Andrews Kenley 27 Jan 21 5.55pm
Originally posted by MonsterMunch We’ve beaten West Brom, Leeds, Fulham and Sheff Utd. I admire your positivity. I think we will win a few more games soon and pull away from the relegation mire which as it stands we are clear of. From all the negative posters on here, who actually thinks we will get relegated? Come on, nail your colours to the mast who thinks we are going down?
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Originally posted by MonsterMunch

We’ve beaten West Brom, Leeds, Fulham and Sheff Utd. I admire your positivity.

I think we will win a few more games soon and pull away from the relegation mire which as it stands we are clear of. From all the negative posters on here, who actually thinks we will get relegated?

Come on, nail your colours to the mast who thinks we are going down?

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EddieMac 27 Jan 21 5.57pm
I have been a big defender of Roy over the last few years especially because our squad is so weak and with our constant injuries I felt he was achieving as much as possible with the players available but I am now firmly in the Roy out camp but not till the season is over. My main reason for this is because of his insistence on sticking with this awful 4-4-2 system that leaves us absolutely run ragged in midfield. I can not for the life of me figure out why he is sticking with it. It is not his fault that we have such an unbalanced squad but it is his fault that he keeps playing this way. I was never concerned about relegation but after watching that horror show last night I am praying Fulham don't start winning games because we look in trouble. With the players we have and the systems they know how to play under Roy then it is an absolute no brainer to get back to 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 formation. Get Luka back into the only position he should be playing in (sitting in front of the back 4)then we have Kouyate, McCarthy, Jairo, McCarthur to fill the other 2 centre mid roles with Eze and Zaha as part of the front 3 or midfield 5 depending on if we have the ball or not. Roy finally has options in attack but he is making an absolute mess of this by sticking with that rigid front 2 of Benteke and Zaha. I am praying he changes back to this formation against Wolves. if he doesn't we ar in for a nervy end to the season. Edited by EddieMac (27 Jan 2021 6.29pm) Edited by EddieMac (27 Jan 2021 6.30pm)
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27 Jan 21 5.57pm

I have been a big defender of Roy over the last few years especially because our squad is so weak and with our constant injuries I felt he was achieving as much as possible with the players available but I am now firmly in the Roy out camp but not till the season is over.

My main reason for this is because of his insistence on sticking with this awful 4-4-2 system that leaves us absolutely run ragged in midfield. I can not for the life of me figure out why he is sticking with it. It is not his fault that we have such an unbalanced squad but it is his fault that he keeps playing this way.

I was never concerned about relegation but after watching that horror show last night I am praying Fulham don't start winning games because we look in trouble.

With the players we have and the systems they know how to play under Roy then it is an absolute no brainer to get back to 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 formation. Get Luka back into the only position he should be playing in (sitting in front of the back 4)then we have Kouyate, McCarthy, Jairo, McCarthur to fill the other 2 centre mid roles with Eze and Zaha as part of the front 3 or midfield 5 depending on if we have the ball or not.

Roy finally has options in attack but he is making an absolute mess of this by sticking with that rigid front 2 of Benteke and Zaha. I am praying he changes back to this formation against Wolves. if he doesn't we ar in for a nervy end to the season.

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southnorwoodhill 27 Jan 21 6.01pm
Originally posted by EddieMac I have been a big defender of Roy over the last few years especially because our squad is so weak and with our constant injuries I felt he was achieving as much as possible with the players available but I am now firmly in the Roy out camp but not till the season is over. My main reason for this is because of his insistence on sticking with this awful 4-4-2 system that leaves us absolutely run ragged in midfield. I can not for the life of me figure out why he is sticking with it. It is not his fault that we have such an unbalanced squad but it is his fault that he keeps playing this way. I was never concerned about relegation but after watching that horror show last night I am praying Fulham don't start winning games because we look in trouble. With the players we have and the systems they know how to play under Roy then it is an absolute no brainer to get back to 4-5-1-3-3 formation. Get Luka back into the only position he should be playing in (sitting in front of the back 4)then we have Kouyate, McCarthy, Jairo, McCarthur to fill the other 2 centre mid roles with Eze and Zaha as part of the front 3 or midfield 5 depending on if we have the ball or not. Roy finally has options in attack but he is making an absolute mess of this by sticking with that rigid front 2 of Benteke and Zaha. I am praying he changes back to this formation against Wolves. if he doesn't we ar in for a nervy end to the season. We might have a better chance with 16 outfield players agreed
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Originally posted by EddieMac

I was never concerned about relegation but after watching that horror show last night I am praying Fulham don't start winning games because we look in trouble.

With the players we have and the systems they know how to play under Roy then it is an absolute no brainer to get back to 4-5-1-3-3 formation. Get Luka back into the only position he should be playing in (sitting in front of the back 4)then we have Kouyate, McCarthy, Jairo, McCarthur to fill the other 2 centre mid roles with Eze and Zaha as part of the front 3 or midfield 5 depending on if we have the ball or not.

We might have a better chance with 16 outfield players agreed

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jan 21 6.01pm
Originally posted by EddieMac I have been a big defender of Roy over the last few years especially because our squad is so weak and with our constant injuries I felt he was achieving as much as possible with the players available but I am now firmly in the Roy out camp but not till the season is over. My main reason for this is because of his insistence on sticking with this awful 4-4-2 system that leaves us absolutely run ragged in midfield. I can not for the life of me figure out why he is sticking with it. It is not his fault that we have such an unbalanced squad but it is his fault that he keeps playing this way. I was never concerned about relegation but after watching that horror show last night I am praying Fulham don't start winning games because we look in trouble. With the players we have and the systems they know how to play under Roy then it is an absolute no brainer to get back to 4-5-1-3-3 formation. Get Luka back into the only position he should be playing in (sitting in front of the back 4)then we have Kouyate, McCarthy, Jairo, McCarthur to fill the other 2 centre mid roles with Eze and Zaha as part of the front 3 or midfield 5 depending on if we have the ball or not. Roy finally has options in attack but he is making an absolute mess of this by sticking with that rigid front 2 of Benteke and Zaha. I am praying he changes back to this formation against Wolves. if he doesn't we ar in for a nervy end to the season. I have been speaking to a Fulham supporter only today. They are away at Brighton this evening and in his esteemed opinion, it is a game Fulham cannot afford to lose.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jan 21 6.01pm

Originally posted by EddieMac

I was never concerned about relegation but after watching that horror show last night I am praying Fulham don't start winning games because we look in trouble.

With the players we have and the systems they know how to play under Roy then it is an absolute no brainer to get back to 4-5-1-3-3 formation. Get Luka back into the only position he should be playing in (sitting in front of the back 4)then we have Kouyate, McCarthy, Jairo, McCarthur to fill the other 2 centre mid roles with Eze and Zaha as part of the front 3 or midfield 5 depending on if we have the ball or not.

I have been speaking to a Fulham supporter only today.
They are away at Brighton this evening and in his esteemed opinion, it is a game Fulham cannot afford to lose.

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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 27 Jan 21 6.21pm
Originally posted by EddieMac I have been a big defender of Roy over the last few years especially because our squad is so weak and with our constant injuries I felt he was achieving as much as possible with the players available but I am now firmly in the Roy out camp but not till the season is over. My main reason for this is because of his insistence on sticking with this awful 4-4-2 system that leaves us absolutely run ragged in midfield. I can not for the life of me figure out why he is sticking with it. It is not his fault that we have such an unbalanced squad but it is his fault that he keeps playing this way. I was never concerned about relegation but after watching that horror show last night I am praying Fulham don't start winning games because we look in trouble. With the players we have and the systems they know how to play under Roy then it is an absolute no brainer to get back to 4-5-1-3-3 formation. Get Luka back into the only position he should be playing in (sitting in front of the back 4)then we have Kouyate, McCarthy, Jairo, McCarthur to fill the other 2 centre mid roles with Eze and Zaha as part of the front 3 or midfield 5 depending on if we have the ball or not. Roy finally has options in attack but he is making an absolute mess of this by sticking with that rigid front 2 of Benteke and Zaha. I am praying he changes back to this formation against Wolves. if he doesn't we ar in for a nervy end to the season. I really don't know what Roy's best attacking options are ... Bats and Ayew have both been largely ineffective but they looked decent together in the final 15 minutes last night. Benteke has only started in the side since December. We lose when Wilf isn't in the team but he seems to drift in and out of games when he is playing. The new fellow hasn't got a visa so Heaven knows when he'll be available. Hope Roy comes up with a plan A and a plan B before Saturday. Denial is not just a river in Egypt
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Originally posted by EddieMac

I was never concerned about relegation but after watching that horror show last night I am praying Fulham don't start winning games because we look in trouble.

I really don't know what Roy's best attacking options are ... Bats and Ayew have both been largely ineffective but they looked decent together in the final 15 minutes last night. Benteke has only started in the side since December. We lose when Wilf isn't in the team but he seems to drift in and out of games when he is playing. The new fellow hasn't got a visa so Heaven knows when he'll be available.

Hope Roy comes up with a plan A and a plan B before Saturday.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

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EddieMac 27 Jan 21 6.32pm
Originally posted by Willo I have been speaking to a Fulham supporter only today. They are away at Brighton this evening and in his esteemed opinion, it is a game Fulham cannot afford to lose. It is definitely a must win for them but if they do win then it really puts the cat amongst the pidgeons at the bottom.
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EddieMac

27 Jan 21 6.32pm

Originally posted by Willo

I have been speaking to a Fulham supporter only today.
They are away at Brighton this evening and in his esteemed opinion, it is a game Fulham cannot afford to lose.

It is definitely a must win for them but if they do win then it really puts the cat amongst the pidgeons at the bottom.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 27 Jan 21 6.35pm
Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews I think we will win a few more games soon and pull away from the relegation mire which as it stands we are clear of. From all the negative posters on here, who actually thinks we will get relegated? Come on, nail your colours to the mast who thinks we are going down? We'll finish in the 11th to 15th range, as we always do. Time for the usual suspects to dry out their sodden pants. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

I think we will win a few more games soon and pull away from the relegation mire which as it stands we are clear of. From all the negative posters on here, who actually thinks we will get relegated?

Come on, nail your colours to the mast who thinks we are going down?

We'll finish in the 11th to 15th range, as we always do. Time for the usual suspects to dry out their sodden pants.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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EddieMac 27 Jan 21 6.36pm
Originally posted by Henry of Peckham I really don't know what Roy's best attacking options are ... Bats and Ayew have both been largely ineffective but they looked decent together in the final 15 minutes last night. Benteke has only started in the side since December. We lose when Wilf isn't in the team but he seems to drift in and out of games when he is playing. The new fellow hasn't got a visa so Heaven knows when he'll be available. Hope Roy comes up with a plan A and a plan B before Saturday. For me with the players we have it has got to be a front 3 of Zaha,Benteke or Mateta and Eze. Ayew can step into any of the positions when needed or as a sub. I know everyone has their own views but I would happily watch 18 awful games to just stay in the division and hopefully start again next year on a better footing.
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27 Jan 21 6.36pm

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

Hope Roy comes up with a plan A and a plan B before Saturday.

For me with the players we have it has got to be a front 3 of Zaha,Benteke or Mateta and Eze. Ayew can step into any of the positions when needed or as a sub.

I know everyone has their own views but I would happily watch 18 awful games to just stay in the division and hopefully start again next year on a better footing.

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