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matt_himself Flag Matataland 20 Jun 16 9.13am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

I seem to recall you assuming lots of things about HoL users. Hypocrisy rules.

Good morning Gusset. See you are going for man, not ball. How hypocritical after everything you said yesterday.

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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matt_himself Flag Matataland 20 Jun 16 9.14am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Look through earlier posts on this thread. The amount of people already saying "The Establishment" wont let Leave win. Conspiracy theories and the internet, it unfortunately doesn't take much

I agree. I don't know how any person can say that either campaign has acted or will act with dignity. Both are as bad as each other.

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 16 9.17am

Originally posted by matt_himself

Good morning Gusset. See you are going for man, not ball. How hypocritical after everything you said yesterday.

Perhaps, but you need calling out on it.

 
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beagle Flag pom tiddly om pom pom 20 Jun 16 9.18am Send a Private Message to beagle Add beagle as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Still don't know...
I'm waiting to see if anyone from the eu pops up in the week to wave a carrot at us.

Well, I'm still on the fence on the issue.

I'm instinctively sceptical of the EU, its bureaucracy, its political aims and its ability to reform itself. For me, the EU is the epitome of a vast oil tanker that can't react quickly or change course.

However, I'm not a rabid rightwing fascist. I'm pro immigration. The immigration 'issue' isn't an issue for me in this referendum.

In fact, I'd prefer to remain in the EU if the likes of Farage and supporters of 'that poster' were to have their hand on the country's tiller. There are some thoroughly distasteful people in the Brexit camp who's vision of what a post-Brexit Britain should look like doesn't square with mine.

And so (maybe like you) I keep reading all differing opinions in the media looking for whatever it is that will give me 'certainty'.

 

When the time comes, I want die just like my Dad - at peace and asleep.
Not screaming and terrified.
Like his passengers.
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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Jun 16 9.22am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

And, conversely, where is the Remain campaign's detailed description of how they will instigate and enact the fundamental reforms the EU needs following a Remain win?

Both campaigns have been low on detail.

Dear Matt

The EU is structurally incapable of reform.
Junker the unelected president of the "European Commission" views intransigence as a great strength with the surival of the EU and the single currency as a major priority.

Edited by Willo (20 Jun 2016 9.31am)

 
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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 16 9.25am

Originally posted by beagle

Well, I'm still on the fence on the issue.

I'm instinctively sceptical of the EU, its bureaucracy, its political aims and its ability to reform itself. For me, the EU is the epitome of a vast oil tanker that can't react quickly or change course.

However, I'm not a rabid rightwing fascist. I'm pro immigration. The immigration 'issue' isn't an issue for me in this referendum.

In fact, I'd prefer to remain in the EU if the likes of Farage and supporters of 'that poster' were to have their hand on the country's tiller. There are some thoroughly distasteful people in the Brexit camp who's vision of what a post-Brexit Britain should look like doesn't square with mine.

And so (maybe like you) I keep reading all differing opinions in the media looking for whatever it is that will give me 'certainty'.

I'll be honest and say I'd respect Farage more if he actually voted in the European parliament. He moans about fishing quotas, claimed expenses for being in thr parliament on that day, yet none of the UKIP mep's voted.

The more I read and hear, the harder it is to decide


This video sums up the complexity of the decision very well.


[Link]

(quite smeary)

 
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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Jun 16 9.27am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by beagle

However, I'm not a rabid rightwing fascist. I'm pro immigration. The immigration 'issue' isn't an issue for me in this referendum.

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With respect, "Brexiteers" in general are not against immigration per se.It is the uncontrolled immigration that is the real issue.I really do NOT wish to live in a country with a population of 75 million and the enormous impact that will have on public services, housing etc etc.I mention "Country" - we will just be a state in a "United States of Europe" if we remain in the EU because this is their primary aim.

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 20 Jun 16 9.29am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Dear Matt

The EU is strucurally incapable of reform.
Junker the unelected president of the "European Commission" views intransigence as a great strength with the surival of the EU and the single currency as a major priority.

I agree. It was my question to Trottyteacher to answer.

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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matt_himself Flag Matataland 20 Jun 16 9.30am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Perhaps, but you need calling out on it.

Utter bollocks Gusset. You just want to start a fight.

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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matt_himself Flag Matataland 20 Jun 16 9.33am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

I'll be honest and say I'd respect Farage more if he actually voted in the European parliament. He moans about fishing quotas, claimed expenses for being in thr parliament on that day, yet none of the UKIP mep's voted.

The more I read and hear, the harder it is to decide


This video sums up the complexity of the decision very well.


[Link]

(quite smeary)

Conversely, do you view Gerry Adams' acceptance of Westminiater expenses, a man who has never voted in the Commons, the act of a principled politician or do you have the same level of respect for him as you do Farage?

We all know you are going to do what Corbyn did and turn your back on principle, vote Remain and try to undermine Cameron.

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 16 9.37am

Originally posted by matt_himself

I agree. It was my question to Trottyteacher to answer.

Name calling now. Good work.

 
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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 20 Jun 16 9.43am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by beagle

Well, I'm still on the fence on the issue.

I'm instinctively sceptical of the EU, its bureaucracy, its political aims and its ability to reform itself. For me, the EU is the epitome of a vast oil tanker that can't react quickly or change course.

However, I'm not a rabid rightwing fascist. I'm pro immigration. The immigration 'issue' isn't an issue for me in this referendum.

In fact, I'd prefer to remain in the EU if the likes of Farage and supporters of 'that poster' were to have their hand on the country's tiller. There are some thoroughly distasteful people in the Brexit camp who's vision of what a post-Brexit Britain should look like doesn't square with mine.

And so (maybe like you) I keep reading all differing opinions in the media looking for whatever it is that will give me 'certainty'.


I have gone from Remain, to unsure, to probably Remain though at this stage I am not sure I will even bother voting.

Get three fifths of bugger all in concessions was extremely disappointing and it shows the contempt some of the member nations have for us.

As mentioned previously, the tone of the debate from both sides is utterly shameful.

My fear if Brexit win is what type of government we end up with.

 

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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