The number of times I've heard politicians dismiss disquiet over the EU by saying it isn't the kind of issue that comes up on the doorstep are too numerous to mention.

With any luck the good old US of A (New York to be precise)

Unfortunately,you have completely missed the point I was making and gone into "attack is the best form of defence,I've beeen misrepresented" mode.

I was demonising our consistently "duplicitous/scape goating/divide and rule" leaders generally over the past 100 years plus (in fact much much longer than that).No blame attributed to the general populace in my post.My post was largely about treatment of ex-services personnel.A prior poster had linked that with treatment of immigrants.Another with duplicitous leaders.I was simply pointing out that treatment of ex-service personnel has been naff for many decades and so current treatment of them should be seen in that context and not as something that has arisen recently and results from immigrants being allocated resources that were it not for their presence would be allocated to ex-service personnel.Ex-service personnel have been getting shafted in a land with housing problems and unemployment issues as long ago as the 1920's,when plainly large-scale immigration was not taking place

Edited by legaleagle (18 Feb 2015 9.11am)

So her flounce has nothing to do with being deselected from her position as a local councillor for non attendance of meetings then?

I've decided.

I vote UKIP and support UKIP but have to agree with Nick on one thing. I've met quite a few fellow UKIP voters who do come out with racist comments (which I don't agree with). I'm confident they aren't representative of the average UKIP voter though and I also don't believe their racism is representative of the party's ethics (you can call me naive for this if you like, but it's my opinion). I don't suppose everyone who votes for the same party a) all hold the same beliefs as everyone else who votes for that party (be it Green, UKIP, Labour, Monster Raving Loony, etc) and b) necessarily agrees with all the policies that the party claims to stand for.

By the same score, I've heard racism from people who aren't UKIP voters as well. I wouldn't assume all UKIP voters are racists, or that all racists are UKIP voters because I don't like making big sweeping generalisations about groups of people........