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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Sep 23 9.02am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

So another of Campbell’s daily attempts to undermine confidence in public health strategies and to keep the money rolling in to his YouTube account is referenced here.

The usual smug face and cynicism is on full display, along with the attempts to validate the paper it’s based on by linking it to the site it appears on, in much the way the WHO was used before. This time it’s Oxford Academic.

The actual author is a surgeon from the USA who seems to have taken it upon himself to express opinions about vaccinations. He is not a virologist but some of his previous opinions don’t seem unreasonable, so let’s see.

I await more knowledgeable people than me to study the results of the data that was collected and express informed opinions on it, but at first glance this seems like powerful support of the need for tailored booster vaccines. If infection by the Delta variant was causing a highly significant greater protection against re-infection than the original vaccines then a targeted booster makes sense. Whilst the original vaccines still protected against severe disease they became less effective against re infection.

Let’s see what the real experts have to say about what these statistics reveal. In the meantime, based on his past record, I will treat Campbell’s analysis with considerable caution.

 


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eaglesdare Flag 01 Sep 23 9.28am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

We have seen a politician sensor, discredit and silence scientists in relation to the Ulez who have a different viewpoint to push through an agenda. What and who else have politicians censored, discredited and silenced in terms of covid? And did they take hush money?

 

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 01 Sep 23 10.41am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Campbell cites a new study from Israel (where independent studies seem common) that shows that natural immunity after infection is significantly better than vaccine induced immunity on beating off reinfection.

[Link]

Are certain people going to start calling for the ban of vaccinated people from social events? Blame them for taking up hospital beds for example.

Hopefully not because only awful people would do something like that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Aug 2023 10.50pm)

You and your 'alternative' information sources. You keep posting these ludicrous soudbites from well-qualified scientists, rather than believing our public-school educated elites. Thank goodness you and your type are a minority, and all us well-behaved people do as we are told without even questioning.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 01 Sep 23 11.24am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

You and your 'alternative' information sources. You keep posting these ludicrous soudbites from well-qualified scientists, rather than believing our public-school educated elites. Thank goodness you and your type are a minority, and all us well-behaved people do as we are told without even questioning.

Indeed, I really should be watching and nodding along to CNN.

Those guys only talk the unfretted unsponsored truth.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Sep 23 12.57pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

You and your 'alternative' information sources. You keep posting these ludicrous soudbites from well-qualified scientists, rather than believing our public-school educated elites. Thank goodness you and your type are a minority, and all us well-behaved people do as we are told without even questioning.

They aren’t though from “well qualified scientists” are they?

They are from a gobby self-opinionated chancer who has found an easier way to make money than just being an “actor” and a nurse educator.Both Nursing and Teaching are respectable professions, but not science. He has also found a way of picking up pieces of official data and putting his own spin on it with nods and winks to provide an eager audience with the “proof” they need that all that has been and is being, done to protect people is a monstrous conspiracy between governments and the pharma industries. Whilst getting very rich whilst doing so. He is very clever but so was Charles Ponzi, and I don’t think he would be trusted today, though people still fall for schemes that bear his name.

A movie will be made about all of this at some time. There is a rich story line just waiting to be told.

There is no need to listen to any public-school educated elites. There is though a need to listen to genuine experts, find where the consensus lies and to follow the advice. The distrust of science and expert opinion, in all fields, that exists today is undermining the foundations of our society. Spread on the internet, where does it originate and who profits from it? Maybe you should have asked the recently deceased founder of the Wagner group. He might have had a clue.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 01 Sep 23 2.04pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Somewhat ironic for the guy who complains about ad hominem to of course partake in precisely that.

All opinion and hot air.

Once again, let it be noted that Campbell has spent a life helping people and improving lives. Other people spent their lives exploiting people and partaking in legal deception....what do those lovely people call it? Perception management.

When it comes to ad hominem some are more deserving of their use than others.

Oh look, we are back to Russiagate.

Yeah, look under your beds for the reds, they are the villains of the piece.

Not our friends certainly....then again, anti white fifth columnists have done far more than any slav towards doing down this once great country.

Seems we aren't unique enough.


Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Sep 2023 2.08pm)

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 01 Sep 23 2.49pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Wasn't sure where to put this.

So according to the ONS in 2021 the economy shrunk by 1.2% in the last quarter (COVID). Cue renting of clothes and blame Brexit.

Only it didn't shrink it grew by 0.6%.

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This only goes to show what I and others have said about BOE, ONS the IMF and OBR, they are not to be trusted their forecasts are inaccurate and they can't even tell what has happened correctly.

Edited by Badger11 (01 Sep 2023 2.50pm)

Edited by Badger11 (01 Sep 2023 2.50pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 01 Sep 23 3.06pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Wasn't sure where to put this.

So according to the ONS in 2021 the economy shrunk by 1.2% in the last quarter (COVID). Cue renting of clothes and blame Brexit.

Only it didn't shrink it grew by 0.6%.

[Link]

This only goes to show what I and others have said about BOE, ONS the IMF and OBR, they are not to be trusted their forecasts are inaccurate and they can't even tell what has happened correctly.

Edited by Badger11 (01 Sep 2023 2.50pm)

Edited by Badger11 (01 Sep 2023 2.50pm)

That's remainers for you.

Couldn't find a stone in the ground that lot.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Sep 23 3.14pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Since when are comments about the reasons why videos are made “ad hominems”? Those making them aren’t users of this site so nothing said can be regarded as personal.

No-one questions what Campbell did prior to making videos, or indeed that his original intention and early videos wasn’t honourable. It was. What has happened since has been described by me, and many others better qualified than any here to make informed, objective judgements, as far from honourable. He has found a hungry, lucrative market eager for scraps to feed their prejudices. It’s clever, even admirable, but not honourable.

When the obnoxious term “anti-white” rears its ugly head in a comment you know that the whole argument has failed. It’s nonsense.

If people don’t believe that there is, and has been for several years, manipulation of opinion here, and in the west as a whole, by countries who wish us harm, then I suggest they need to do more research. Our security services know it and have counter measures in place to try to mitigate it. It’s real though.

Denying it exists or that their own views are incapable of being influenced by it, is to deny the obvious.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Sep 23 3.20pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Wasn't sure where to put this.

So according to the ONS in 2021 the economy shrunk by 1.2% in the last quarter (COVID). Cue renting of clothes and blame Brexit.

Only it didn't shrink it grew by 0.6%.

[Link]

This only goes to show what I and others have said about BOE, ONS the IMF and OBR, they are not to be trusted their forecasts are inaccurate and they can't even tell what has happened correctly.

Edited by Badger11 (01 Sep 2023 2.50pm)

Edited by Badger11 (01 Sep 2023 2.50pm)

The ONS didn’t blame anything or anyone! All they have done is update their estimates after receiving more data.

Don’t that let you, or others, build a mountain out of not even a pimple! Worthy of the Mail that one.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 01 Sep 23 3.33pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The ONS didn’t blame anything or anyone! All they have done is update their estimates after receiving more data.

Don’t that let you, or others, build a mountain out of not even a pimple! Worthy of the Mail that one.

You must have selective memory syndrome. When it was announced that the economy had shrunk by 1.2% the media made a big deal out of it and so did the Remainers.

If the ONS figures are unreliable and subject to correction then perhaps they should not release them until they do have all the data.

It matters because if people are told we are going into recession it knocks business and consumer confidence.

Edited by Badger11 (01 Sep 2023 3.33pm)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Sep 23 6.30pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

You must have selective memory syndrome. When it was announced that the economy had shrunk by 1.2% the media made a big deal out of it and so did the Remainers.

If the ONS figures are unreliable and subject to correction then perhaps they should not release them until they do have all the data.

It matters because if people are told we are going into recession it knocks business and consumer confidence.

Edited by Badger11 (01 Sep 2023 3.33pm)

Not by the ONS which is what was intimated. Of course figures can get corrected as more data becomes available. What would have them do, ignore it? It doesn’t mean they are unreliable at all. It just means they are released in stages and refined as time clarifies.

We all know that the economy has been impacted by a series of events in the past few years. Brexit was but one, being closely followed by the pandemic and then by the war. Trying to apportion the impact of each seems to me to be near to impossible and capable of generating political footballs to be kicked around to little purpose.

What looks blindingly obvious is that Brexit has not seen the promised flurry of trade deals and that the deal we did with the EU was not over ready and remains half baked. The only conclusion to be drawn from that must be that Brexit has been a drain on our economy. So if we are avoiding a recession the question ought to be how much better it would have been without Brexit.

 


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