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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 11.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I already said that people can identify as whatever they like. Try reading the posts. What you think is irrelevant. Consider that if you can. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Jun 2024 10.08pm) If what matters is how people self identify what anyone else thinks is irrelevant. If you now accept that people can identify as whatever they like then this discussion is over. Being English is a social identity. Otherwise known as an ethnicity. Being British is a nationality. Our nationality. We both identify as English despite having significant contributions from elsewhere in our genes. So does the King. Even more so in his case, being 50% Greek on top of his German connections.
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Teddy Eagle 17 Jun 24 11.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If what matters is how people self identify what anyone else thinks is irrelevant. If you now accept that people can identify as whatever they like then this discussion is over. Being English is a social identity. Otherwise known as an ethnicity. Being British is a nationality. Our nationality. We both identify as English despite having significant contributions from elsewhere in our genes. So does the King. Even more so in his case, being 50% Greek on top of his German connections. So you can identify as Cornish.
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Ouzo Dan Behind you 18 Jun 24 7.16am | |
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I'll expand on the link between Truro & Brittany. During the early Mesolithic period, England was connected to a land bridge to Europe called Doggerland, increasing temperatures would end the Ice age & rising sea levels & natural disasters would see Doggerland disappear for good, from this point Britain would embark on an evolutionary & cultural path exclusive from that of Europe. Fast forward to Celtic Britain, the Romans have left a power vacuum & the Anglos, Saxons & Jutes have started to occupy the Eastern part of England. At this point I'll add that England directly translates to Land of the Angles so by it's very definition you need to be Anglo to be English. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jun 24 7.26am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If what matters is how people self identify what anyone else thinks is irrelevant. If you now accept that people can identify as whatever they like then this discussion is over. Being English is a social identity. Otherwise known as an ethnicity. Being British is a nationality. Our nationality. We both identify as English despite having significant contributions from elsewhere in our genes. So does the King. Even more so in his case, being 50% Greek on top of his German connections. I can identify as a 'Native' American if I like, but that doesn't mean I am. The absurdity of the idea that who you choose to be somehow alters reality is just plain bonkers.
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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jun 24 7.28am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I’ll ignore the rudeness. What you said was wrong. It isn’t a broad, meaningless term! You just want it to be! The first lines in the link say it very well:- “An ethnicity or ethnic group is a group of people who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Those attributes can include a common nation of origin, or common sets of ancestry, traditions, language, history, society, religion, or social treatment.” Later it says:- “Ethnicity may be construed as an inherited or societally imposed construct. Ethnic membership tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language, dialect, religion, mythology, folklore, ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art, or physical appearance. Ethnic groups may share a narrow or broad spectrum of genetic ancestry, depending on group identification, with some groups having mixed genetic ancestry.” The only reference to genetics being that ethic groups may share either broad or narrow genetic ancestry. Which is precisely what I have been saying. Genetics are no guide to ethnicity. They may share some genetics, either broad or narrow. But may not as some have a mixed genetic ancestry. How much broader can you get? You are wasting my time, and yours.
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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jun 24 7.29am | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Actually, they did. So you can point us to that post then?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 24 8.12am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So you can identify as Cornish. If I thought it was appropriate, but I don’t and I wouldn’t. I am English. Some who have lived here since birth, but whose parentage isn’t Cornish, have been fully brought up within the local culture, accept and cherish it, would almost certainly identify as Cornish. They would also be accepted as Cornish by others. No one would give a thought to checking their genetic heritage.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 24 8.19am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
How much broader can you get? You are wasting my time, and yours. Culture has a broad meaning! It’s not boundless though! It doesn’t include everything. What you are arguing for is not for any kind of broad definition of culture. You are arguing for the exclusion of culture and for the imposition of a narrow definition based only on genetics. Not the choice of the individual but the application of your authority!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 24 8.25am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I can identify as a 'Native' American if I like, but that doesn't mean I am. The absurdity of the idea that who you choose to be somehow alters reality is just plain bonkers. You could, but unless you were indeed bonkers, you wouldn’t. You have no cultural connection to their culture at all. You would be foolish and look foolish but if you wanted to do it no one could stop you. Being ridiculous isn’t a crime. As I said what others think is irrelevant. They have no authority. This is a cultural issue, not a legal one. The legal one defines nationality and we are all British, not English.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 24 8.31am | |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
I'll expand on the link between Truro & Brittany. During the early Mesolithic period, England was connected to a land bridge to Europe called Doggerland, increasing temperatures would end the Ice age & rising sea levels & natural disasters would see Doggerland disappear for good, from this point Britain would embark on an evolutionary & cultural path exclusive from that of Europe. Fast forward to Celtic Britain, the Romans have left a power vacuum & the Anglos, Saxons & Jutes have started to occupy the Eastern part of England. At this point I'll add that England directly translates to Land of the Angles so by it's very definition you need to be Anglo to be English. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
Not now there’re not! There’s more from London and the South East. Who themselves will have as mixed a genetic heritage as anywhere in the UK. What was, isn’t! What is, won’t be!
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Ouzo Dan Behind you 18 Jun 24 8.44am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not now there’re not! There’s more from London and the South East. Who themselves will have as mixed a genetic heritage as anywhere in the UK. What was, isn’t! What is, won’t be! I honestly dont have the energy
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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jun 24 9.23am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You could, but unless you were indeed bonkers, you wouldn’t. You have no cultural connection to their culture at all. You would be foolish and look foolish but if you wanted to do it no one could stop you. Being ridiculous isn’t a crime. As I said what others think is irrelevant. They have no authority. This is a cultural issue, not a legal one. The legal one defines nationality and we are all British, not English. Someone can claim an identity as much as they like, but everyone else has to accept it to make it credible. That is the key point. None of this has anything to do with the factual reality of genetic heritage and characteristics. You can keep responding to my posts forever. It won't make you right.
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