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radicalsteve ottawa 04 Feb 24 12.03am | |
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Originally posted by fish mitten
Just hope SP and the rest of the board accept their culpability in the way the season has gone. Its been a tough day for everyone, and it was a day of reckoning from the moment the team sheet went up, notwithstanding the incredibly poor decision to put on Olise when the game was already lost! I have a lot of respect for Roy, notwithstanding his record isn't really that stellar, but he is the boy from Croydon who has had a decent career, a gentleman and a bit of a scholar. I understand that he doesn't want to quit, even though most would say he has gone way beyond his "best before date". Now is the time for SP to show leadership and make a tough decision - which takes courage and balls. I ran a large multinational public company and if I could have my time back again, I would have moved faster than I did on people who were either poor performers, or destroying value, because they were in the wrong position. I hated firing people, but 99% of the time, those I let go, with dignity and respect, were grateful for a) me being honest with them and b) releasing them from the stress of knowing they were underperforming and eventually having to leave. Treat Roy with respect, admit it isn't working, take ownership and responsibility and treat everyone, including the fans, with honesty, integrity, authenticity and humility. Alternatively, we can dig our heels in and hope for the best and maybe take a gamble that our competitors will not rise above us. I know which road I would take if I were the board.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 04 Feb 24 12.19am | |
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Originally posted by radicalsteve
Its been a tough day for everyone, and it was a day of reckoning from the moment the team sheet went up, notwithstanding the incredibly poor decision to put on Olise when the game was already lost! I have a lot of respect for Roy, notwithstanding his record isn't really that stellar, but he is the boy from Croydon who has had a decent career, a gentleman and a bit of a scholar. I understand that he doesn't want to quit, even though most would say he has gone way beyond his "best before date". Now is the time for SP to show leadership and make a tough decision - which takes courage and balls. I ran a large multinational public company and if I could have my time back again, I would have moved faster than I did on people who were either poor performers, or destroying value, because they were in the wrong position. I hated firing people, but 99% of the time, those I let go, with dignity and respect, were grateful for a) me being honest with them and b) releasing them from the stress of knowing they were underperforming and eventually having to leave. Treat Roy with respect, admit it isn't working, take ownership and responsibility and treat everyone, including the fans, with honesty, integrity, authenticity and humility. Alternatively, we can dig our heels in and hope for the best and maybe take a gamble that our competitors will not rise above us. I know which road I would take if I were the board. If we have someone waiting in the wings (eg Potter) sure. Get him in. If there’s a clear succession plan. If not, no. There’s only one thing worse than keeping someone that’s no longer good enough in a role. It’s not having a suitable replacement. Further - no manager on earth would be able to get us better results with that starting XI. We might play a bit differently and slightly more positively but the results would be more or less the same until Guehi, Olise and Eze returned. When you have no creative link between defenders and striker you’re screwed no matter how much you press, or play ‘progressively’. On that - the amount of times I heard ‘why aren’t we pressing’ today - this only works if you have a team with pace and stamina that can recover quickly back into shape when the ball gets played past them through the gaps they leave behin when pressing. Brighton have said players. We do not. That’s why we hold shape. Don’t get me wrong, it’s made worse by Roy’s obsession with structure but to suggest that a bit of pressing and positive play would result in us winning games or getting results with todays starting line up is fantasy.
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radicalsteve ottawa 04 Feb 24 12.28am | |
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I don't disagree, but Roy does not set up to play with optimal strength and uses suboptimal players out of position with tactics from decades ago. I can't believe Parish does not have a successor strategy - that would be incompetence of the highest order knowing what we know and have seen the past few weeks!
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the eagle villain2 Adelaide 04 Feb 24 1.07am | |
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All this sentimental bollocks is doing my head in. The team are dreadful, the selections are horrendous, the management of players is woeful. The club need to do what's right for the club and get rid of Roy. It doesn't matter one bit if he's a "gentleman" or "very decent person", he will be well compensated. The club needs to be more ruthless.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 04 Feb 24 1.32am | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
If we have someone waiting in the wings (eg Potter) sure. Get him in. If there’s a clear succession plan. If not, no. There’s only one thing worse than keeping someone that’s no longer good enough in a role. It’s not having a suitable replacement. Further - no manager on earth would be able to get us better results with that starting XI. We might play a bit differently and slightly more positively but the results would be more or less the same until Guehi, Olise and Eze returned. When you have no creative link between defenders and striker you’re screwed no matter how much you press, or play ‘progressively’. On that - the amount of times I heard ‘why aren’t we pressing’ today - this only works if you have a team with pace and stamina that can recover quickly back into shape when the ball gets played past them through the gaps they leave behin when pressing. Brighton have said players. We do not. That’s why we hold shape. Don’t get me wrong, it’s made worse by Roy’s obsession with structure but to suggest that a bit of pressing and positive play would result in us winning games or getting results with todays starting line up is fantasy. I respectfully disagree SW. There are many factors in football beyond that on paper. In any instance, I would suggest this team is, 'on paper', a lot more capable than the results and certainly performances we have seen this season. Morale, fitness, coaching, tactics, formation, team selections, substitutions, set pieces, all these things contribute to a football team's performance and you could almost write separate essays on the extent to which each of these things have been shockingly very poor at Palace. I really hate this seemingly accepted sentiment that we have a really sh!t team with only one or two decent players and the discussion stops there with the manager entirely removed as part of the equation. If others disagree they're fully entitled to however the absolute shambolic and pathetic performances we've put in, for me, extends well beyond 'the players are sh!t'. It all stems from the manager as far as I can see. I'm sure many could do far worse, but equally, there has to be a number who could do a lot better. It's the root of the issue, the most easily and perhaps only thing that can be changed in such dire times.
Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!! |
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Irisheagle87 Co.Derry 04 Feb 24 1.37am | |
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Anyone need a lift home? I'm heading towards Larne.
THE 17th OF MAY. MY 17th BIRTHDAY. MICHEAL HUGHES SCORES THE WINNING PENALTY, WHAT WAS HIS NUMBER? 17!!!!! |
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dreamwaverider London 04 Feb 24 7.54am | |
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1. Sack Hodgson. Do this today without fail. He is tearing the club apart. Talking absolute rubbish. Virtually demented. Get him out.
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Steveoxon Oxford 04 Feb 24 8.27am | |
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A little unrealistic I feel and therfore pointless!
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southnorwoodhill 04 Feb 24 8.38am | |
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The first thing Parish should do / should already have done, is talk to his medical staff about the advice given to Hodgson regarding Olise's recuperation. If Hodgson is found to have ignored the advice given, then naturally an explanation should be asked for. If the explanation is unsatisfactory and it is found that Hodgson has risked further injury to Olise then Parish has to sack Hodgson without delay.
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stancummins 04 Feb 24 8.41am | |
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Currently the team and the situation remind me of the 1980/81 season in the old Div 1 ,after performing well the previous season and being labelled the team of the 80s the previous year , we got relegated the following season with basically the same squad , woefully under performing, getting through 4 managers and a change of ownership, also the whitehorse was demolished for sainsburys .That side were far to good to go down but there was to much going on behind the scenes. Present day the squad we have are under performing terribly, there are ownership issues , the current manager should not have started the season and we have the main stand issues.The one light is that we have two teams who are already down and other sides with possible points deductions on their heads .However if we were to go down, that side in the 80s took 8 years to recover and we had some of our lowest attendances ever during that period
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dynamicdick Dormansland 04 Feb 24 8.47am | |
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Originally posted by radicalsteve
I don't disagree, but Roy does not set up to play with optimal strength and uses suboptimal players out of position with tactics from decades ago. I can't believe Parish does not have a successor strategy - that would be incompetence of the highest order knowing what we know and have seen the past few weeks! Good post and why I believe we won’t see a change yet. Any potential manager seeing the fans reaction yesterday and the altercation with Andersen would be having second thoughts in my opinion.
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Palacesince64 Edinburgh 04 Feb 24 8.57am | |
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Roy’s undoing had been his refusal to use the full squad. He had relied on a core of players who are prepared to follow his instructions and put shape above creativity. It has created a brand of football that fans hate but were prepared to accept so long as we got results. No team can survive a season with half a squad. Eventually players get injuries, more so when they don’t get rested, and players lose form, again when overused at times. We now have a group of players who appear to lack effort because they have been run into the ground. Yesterday was the final straw. Bringing on our best player when he was nursing an injury because he didn’t trust the other options on the bench was an awful decision. Then trying to defend it on the basis that the medical staff had said he should play second half and the player expected to get on is an abject failure of management. Regardless of what the medics said pre match, the situation at half time was such that any half decent manager would have told Olise there was no point in risking his hamstring in a lost cause. Seeing Olise sprint back like he did when he pulled up knowing his hamstring was suspect shows the lad may have a good football brain but lacks a bit of sense and needs managed. Roy has been a decent manager but his decision making this season suggests he’s no longer up to the job. Time to go I’m afraid.
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