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dreamwaverider Flag London 28 Dec 23 5.18am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by adelaar


I despise this argument about money. Chelsea are bang average and were missing Palmer and Sterling, arguably their only two performers this season. Today was a massive opportunity to get something.
Wonder what my fellow fans think but the bit that really grates on me under Roy is how slow we are in attack. I get the impression he does zero attacking work with them. Even Wolves, Bournemouth etc play fast passes in transition and have players moving forwards at speed. Our players seem like they are stuck in treacle when we are attacking. I can only put that down to Roy.
Thats why I think we need to take a chance on a new (young?) Manager. I think any half decent manager could have got 4 wins from 19 games. It's the frankly boring football with no attacking threat which is getting on our nerves. We don't play to win and now we simply aren't winning.
What do we do now? Brentford is simply absolutely nailed on must win. They are missing top players and are also in a slump in form. Lose this and I'm sorry to say, Roy has to go.
As others have alluded to, 10 years in the prem and we dont have money, and we spend what we have mostly on rubbish with big wages to boot. We are so paper thin it's frightening. Most of the squad is championship quality. For those wishing us to go down- we won't do a Leicester we will sink. Andersen, Guehi, Johnstone, Eze and Olise will go, and we will be left with the duds.
10 years and never even had a crack at Europe. Even Burnley and Wolves have had European trips.
Us Palace fans are loyal, we know we don't deserve anything, but it's just so disappointing to see such turgid football week in week out, and owners who have serious money just ignore us completely. Isn't that so typical us, other clubs eg Villa get funds and choose a decent manager, and hey presto! Relegation candidates to top 4 candidates in no time.

This sums up our chronic position today. We have been held together by some individual players over the past few seasons. Gallagher and then Doucoure of recent note. Eze had a brief period showing top form, but sadly injury has pulled him back again.
Our board/owners have really struggled to correct us for various reasons and we have clearly lost our focus on putting the team and results first.
The academy. the elusive new stand. Failed team managers and a second full season of last seasons saviour Roy, has left us where we are today.
Significant changes are required to turn us around. Time is very short now. Roy looked physically awful yesterday. He has already had a health scare this season before the Villa game. Both he and Ray looked really worn down yesterday. We are going to need someone special to replace Doucoure short term and more. We also need a progressive manager to pull it off. Time is short. We need to take some action to arrest our alarming slide.
This has been looming for some time. It's a huge call now.

Edited by dreamwaverider (28 Dec 2023 5.34am)

 

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PatrickA Flag London 28 Dec 23 6.26am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Roy said after the game that we lost to one of the best teams in the world .

This is just trying to pull the wool over the fans’ eyes.

In reality that was the weakest Chelsea team we have faced in years, and I doubt we will face a weaker Chelsea team for some time.
They were without Sanchez, James, Chillwell, Cucerella, Fernandez, Sterling and Palmer.
That was the least experienced team they have fielded for years with a rookie back four who have made few appearances for the team.
They are not the team of Mourinho.

On the other hand we had our arguably our strongest team out other than Doucoure and possibly Edouard and Ward.

It was a patchy performance by us with some good spells, but we looked shaky at the back and I think we can finally dispel the myth that Hodgson is some kind of supreme defensive coach.
We looked vulnerable to balls over the top and behind the defence all game and this was never addressed.
Others may disagree, but Richards is not the answer in defensive midfield.
His crunching tackle led to our goal and he’s a good defender.
But he’s like a fish out of water in midfield.
His positioning is all awry and he can’t pass.
This unbalances the midfield and prevents us getting a foothold in midfield.
Play defenders in defence and midfielders in midfield.

On the positive front Mateta continues to impress and I thought Clyne had another decent game. He’s faced some difficult opponents in recent weeks and hasn’t been found wanting.

In the bigger picture I think Sheffield United and Burnley are doomed , but the third place looks up for grabs.
Luton remind me of Pulis’s Palace and are effective at what they do.
They will get some wins along the way whereas we appear to see a draw as the limit of our ambitions.

 

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cannongilbert Flag 28 Dec 23 7.27am Send a Private Message to cannongilbert Add cannongilbert as a friend

Let's say we were unlucky not to share the points yesterday. But it is unacceptable to make your first substitution in the 81st minute and the second (the Brazilian talent who cost 25.000.000) in the 90th. During the metaBournemouth era, during which we havent been playing badly it is clear that we need a right back and a strong midfielder who can a.tackle and keep the ball b.pass. Which is quite difficult under the existing circumstances (availability, money you have decided to pay, how determined is a top class player to come to a club with relegation problems looming ahead).So let us hope that money policy may change during the January window.

 

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The Dolphin Flag 28 Dec 23 7.29am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

I have watched extended highlights now because I was stupid enough to book to go out last night!
The stats say that we did okay but the reality is that we are at least three players short of competing with a very poor Chelsea team.
That is not Roy's fault but not making substitutions after the 80th minute is his fault.
One sub before we went 2-1 down and one after - pointless.
Eze is not match fit and yet he stays on despite being knackered and lo and behold makes a tired to challenge and gives away the penalty!
Chelsea made 5 substitutions and were there still full of energy and we were not.
Roy must go and let someone take charge who can disrupt and manage a game of football while getting the best out of the resources available.
I am not sure whether it better to be relegated and lose our 5 best players or stay up and lose them anyway.
either way - Saturday is a real 6 pointer for us and if we lose we could well be in 18th position on Saturday evening with a team that is ill equipped for a relegation dogfight.

Edited by The Dolphin (28 Dec 2023 7.30am)

 

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taylors lovechild Flag 28 Dec 23 7.34am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

On the face of it you would think it was a close game, but really Chelsea should have had another couple given they had two (or was it three?) one on one situations with Henderson, one of which my dead granny could have scored. Roy raged about VAR, but it was VAR that cancelled out Jackson's earlier goal, so it balanced out and it was a penalty in my eyes (albeit an unlucky one). Chelsea were a bit headless but we never really managed to take advantage of that and as painful as it is to say the result does mirror the game in my view.

What was clear was that neither team had control of the game, which seemed to stem from two disappointing midfields. Ebs is not fit. Richards was great at breaking up play but is not a midfielder and Lerma had an unusually out of sorts game. For some reason Roy did not attempt to address this and he did have Hughes, Ahamada and Ozoh on the bench, so he had options.

Olise once again shone. JPM again worked tirelessly and was really good. Clyne and Mitchell had good games. Richards worked hard to break up play.

Andersen and Lerma had games they'll want to forget. Ayew got an assist but I didn't think he did enough and looked lost when he reached the 18-yard box (that happened with other players too). Do they know what they're supposed to be doing when they get there?

We have to win against Brentford or at least earn a strong draw. Defeat in that game and it is hard to see where the excuses would be for Roy.

 

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Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 28 Dec 23 7.50am Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

I have watched extended highlights now because I was stupid enough to book to go out last night!
The stats say that we did okay but the reality is that we are at least three players short of competing with a very poor Chelsea team.
That is not Roy's fault but not making substitutions after the 80th minute is his fault.
One sub before we went 2-1 down and one after - pointless.
Eze is not match fit and yet he stays on despite being knackered and lo and behold makes a tired to challenge and gives away the penalty!
Chelsea made 5 substitutions and were there still full of energy and we were not.
Roy must go and let someone take charge who can disrupt and manage a game of football while getting the best out of the resources available.
I am not sure whether it better to be relegated and lose our 5 best players or stay up and lose them anyway.
either way - Saturday is a real 6 pointer for us and if we lose we could well be in 18th position on Saturday evening with a team that is ill equipped for a relegation dogfight.

Edited by The Dolphin (28 Dec 2023 7.30am)

Needless loss when we could so easily have got something from the game. Not sure what the little 'fracas' between Roy and the officials was about at the end but once again, his substitutions were ill timed. What further evidence is required for the need to reinforce the team next month?

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Dec 23 8.07am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

On the face of it you would think it was a close game, but really Chelsea should have had another couple given they had two (or was it three?) one on one situations with Henderson, one of which my dead granny could have scored. Roy raged about VAR, but it was VAR that cancelled out Jackson's earlier goal, so it balanced out and it was a penalty in my eyes (albeit an unlucky one). Chelsea were a bit headless but we never really managed to take advantage of that and as painful as it is to say the result does mirror the game in my view.

What was clear was that neither team had control of the game, which seemed to stem from two disappointing midfields. Ebs is not fit. Richards was great at breaking up play but is not a midfielder and Lerma had an unusually out of sorts game. For some reason Roy did not attempt to address this and he did have Hughes, Ahamada and Ozoh on the bench, so he had options.

Olise once again shone. JPM again worked tirelessly and was really good. Clyne and Mitchell had good games. Richards worked hard to break up play.

Andersen and Lerma had games they'll want to forget. Ayew got an assist but I didn't think he did enough and looked lost when he reached the 18-yard box (that happened with other players too). Do they know what they're supposed to be doing when they get there?

We have to win against Brentford or at least earn a strong draw. Defeat in that game and it is hard to see where the excuses would be for Roy.

I am of the opinion that a draw against a Brentford team out of form and now without Mbeumo will not be enough to placate our supporters who have been starved of home wins.

A defeat and Mr Hodgson and the Board will face shot and shell with the atmosphere leading up to the final whistle becoming toxic.

PS : Since posting the above, I have had messages which basically were asking "Will Mr Hodgson still be in situ for the Brentford game ?"

Edited by Willo (28 Dec 2023 8.35am)

 

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hythemaceagle Flag Hythe Kent 28 Dec 23 8.26am Send a Private Message to hythemaceagle Add hythemaceagle as a friend

Is it my imagination, or did I see a high boot on Andersen which should’ve been given as a foul, immediately before the Eze tackle which gave away the penalty? Roy Hodgson looked decidedly unwell last night. I wonder if ill health may lead to his resignation?

 

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stancummins Flag 28 Dec 23 8.37am Send a Private Message to stancummins Add stancummins as a friend

I did not understand why the players , management or pundits did not pick up that Anderson was fouled literally a second before the penalty was given, a Chelsea player tried an overhead kick which ended up kicking Andersons chest as he headed the corner clear . I think the ref saw it but didnt give it and that was the reason he didnt give the blatant penalty as he was trying to even out his original mistake

 

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Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 28 Dec 23 8.40am Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

I thought we started with a flourish and, knowing this was a poor Chelsea side, reckoned we might get something from the game.

But, a very tired tackle by Eze just before the final whistle, led to a VAR penalty and another point was lost. It could, should even, have been 3 points on the board. The Chelsea we played last night were anything but a star spangled side and it was a frustrating result.

I've been a big supporter of Roy and his ability to carve out unlikely points, but he is back to the 'first era' tactics when we all became irritated with his distinct lack of substitutions. Surely, as others have already written, he could have used some of the energetic, young talent from the bench sooner to shake things up a bit. His usual reasoning that it would disrupt our game begins to sound a tad hollow.

We not only needed fresh legs last night, but also fresh management tactics. The Brentford game is now a must win or else. Some huge decisions need to be taken at a senior level if we are to retain our place at the top table.

 


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EddieMac Flag 28 Dec 23 8.43am Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

A significant loss for Brentford is Bryan Mbeumo who will be available for about 3 months.Of course they will also be without Ivan Toney and Rico Henry.Brentford have lost 6 of their last 7 matches.

Ben Mee also suspended for our game.

 

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thegreatlardino Flag crawley/selsey 28 Dec 23 8.43am Send a Private Message to thegreatlardino Add thegreatlardino as a friend

poxy VAR again, after we broke to me it looked like the players knew it would get called back eventually, clear and obvious error my arse!

 


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Sometimes I end up in Chepstow

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