Renationalisation. Supporting terrorists. Supporting CND. Pacifism. All perceived as extreme positions by many.

Having had the same government for 13 years they haven’t had to undo anyone else’s mess. They have created their own very effectively. Especially Brexit.

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Supporting terrorists? International criminals? Bomb-happy psychos?

Nah, Jeremy doesn't support the United States or Israel.

Wisbech can't let go of sewage.

It's a privatisation thing, brought to you in part by the Chinese state pension fund.

We are back in control.

It doesn't really matter who wins the election.

People don't seem to understand just how fecked the economy is.....they seriously haven't a clue. Covid happened on top of a terrible situation....and covid was generational spending packed into 18 months. No one gets to walk away from that.

We are taxed up to the nines yet borrowing is still massive.

At some point this decade the financial balloon is going to pop and you aren't going to want to be left holding that political baby.

Neoliberalism has and still is an economic disaster. Unfortunately we all have to find out the hard way because all you will get is the double down until there is no down left.

Then like the villain in the Usual Suspects none of the neoliberals who created the mess will be remaining in public life to be held accountable.

Pretty much like no one was really held to account for 2008......even though when you look into what happened.....they really should have been quite a few sent to jail.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

It most certainly does matter who wins the election. British politics needs a shakeup and shakeout. It needs honesty and for the obvious divisions to become splits which then result in coalitions. That won’t happen if the Tories put sticking plaster over their wounds again and manage to stumble over the line. They more than any other party need to work out who they are.

For sure Covid has dealt us a massive blow, and its impact is continuing to hurt us as long Covid takes its toll and the NHS struggles with waiting times that were already under stress. However it’s not just Covid. Some people want to place all the blame for our difficulties on the way we handled the pandemic, when the truth is that there was no other viable and acceptable alternative, and on the aftermath of the banking crisis. They deliberately ignore the self inflicted impact of the completely avoidable Brexit disaster. Something that on its own would be bad enough but when added to the pandemic, the Ukraine war, the banking crisis and the impact of climate change becomes an almost impossible situation.

Seeking to portray this as a failure of moderate, sensible politics is as big a lie as any told by Trump. Indeed it is straight out of his playbook.

We need the centre to work together to determine an agreed pathway and not to take walks into the dark on the right or the left every 5 years. Do that and we won’t get anywhere.

We can agree there is a mess, even if we disagree on why. Surely we can also agree that finding common ground and working together with it as a solid base will deliver better results than constant squabbling.

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I fully agree. Almost any and every economic forecast about the UK has been proven to be overly negative. Even today there are reports about inflation 'surprisingly' being down to 2% come April and the BoE considering earlier rate cuts accordingly.

And then you look at Germany (who I believe has been deliberately screwed over). Not only is its economy in I believe in its 6 month of shrinking but is also experiencing mass demonstrations. Not a happy place at the moment, and by default, the rest of the EU not having much to smile about either.

Got a niece who had been living over there as she had been teaching (speaks fluent German) but has returned to Ireland because of the job situation. Says it is much bleaker than people realise in Europe.

The UK has proved remarkably resilient, despite any and every attempt to talk it down by the entire political establishment.

I am convinced Starmer will take us back into the EU and that the Tories are deliberately seeking to lose the GE because they want Labour to get the blame but for whatever the reasons are, it is clearly not the economy.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.