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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 28 Nov 23 10.13am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
I suspect there are many who have concluded that the introduction of VAR is a "Clear and obvious error". I'd argue against that Willo! It's the implementation of it that I find fault with, not the introduction of technology. That's not to suggest I consider myself the holder of the answers, I am only picking holes, but it is safe to say it has not been done with any degree of success.
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 28 Nov 23 10.27am | |
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I would scrap VAR and go back to allowing referees to have the confidence in themselves to make their own decisions, the good and the bad. Incorrect decisions were always a frustration that could be at least understood as human error. Introducing this technology should mitigate at least and remove at best those instances. But it doesn’t do it consistently. And this is where the VAR officials behave as they do on the pitch , inconsistent application of the laws. Last night at Fulham , the contact made on Wilson was similar to that on Eze against Everton. Fulham get a penalty and a goal, we ended up with our player booked for simulation. Ream last night and Young of Everton on Sunday….both already on a yellow card , both concede penalties but neither received a second yellow . As for the headbutt incident, the referees post match explanation beggars belief. Refereeing standards were not good enough pre VAR and if anything they are getting worse. And VAR just sucking the life out of the game
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steeleye20 Croydon 28 Nov 23 12.19pm | |
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We should help officials get it right by simplifying their task. Handball to be deliberate arm to ball. Offside when the ball is last kicked a player is in completely Fouls to be deliberate. Take away all the areas of confusion. There will be mistakes but VAR is making more. And it is a circus, it is a farce really, guess which way the VAR is going today.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 28 Nov 23 12.58pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
We should help officials get it right by simplifying their task. Handball to be deliberate arm to ball. Offside when the ball is last kicked a player is in completely Fouls to be deliberate. Take away all the areas of confusion. There will be mistakes but VAR is making more. And it is a circus, it is a farce really, guess which way the VAR is going today.
This extracted piece was posted on the BBC Sport feed today and I think is quite close to the mark for me: "We are told its not there to re referee a game but game after game across the entire premiership we are seeing it do just that. Reduce VAR to offsides and serious foul play and give the powers back to referees so they can referee a game." If you had a shortlist of what would/wouldn't be looked at, with very clear wording around what constitutes a VAR intervention, the technology should be in place to support decision making. Edited by Nicholas91 (28 Nov 2023 12.59pm)
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The Dolphin 29 Nov 23 11.06am | |
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It was meant to be for "clear and obvious errors" but it now checks every single goal and goes back over various phases of play when doing so - that is a joke.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Nov 23 11.32am | |
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As VAR continues to be refined and integrated into football, it is clear that the dialogue and debate surrounding its implementation will persist, highlighting the ongoing negotiations between tradition, technology and the pursuit of fairness within the game.
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CrazyBadger Ware 29 Nov 23 1.23pm | |
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The technology is obviously not good or advanced enough for the imbeciles they have using it to apply it effectively. we're getting to a point where we need a VAR for VAR, so the VAR can catch the clear and obvious errors VAR makes.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Nov 23 1.39pm | |
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
The technology is obviously not good or advanced enough for the imbeciles they have using it to apply it effectively. we're getting to a point where we need a VAR for VAR, so the VAR can catch the clear and obvious errors VAR makes. I heard some gentleman opine, in relation to penalty decisions, that the VAR, with all the camera angles, should make the call if he/she believes the incident is worthy of a spot-kick and to hell with all this "High bar" / "Clear and obvious" concept. The powers are very conscious of the game not being re-refereed and wish the final decision to rest with the on-field official, accordingly I cannot envisage this change being introduced.
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Painter Croydon 29 Nov 23 1.46pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
We should help officials get it right by simplifying their task. Handball to be deliberate arm to ball. Offside when the ball is last kicked a player is in completely Fouls to be deliberate. Take away all the areas of confusion. There will be mistakes but VAR is making more. And it is a circus, it is a farce really, guess which way the VAR is going today.
What you mean is football as it used to be, before it’s been taken over VAR officials, who are faceless. Rugby has it right, the ref calls for their version of VAR, it’s not automatic. He tells them what he wants checked and nothing else. It’s simple and works well.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Nov 23 1.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Painter
What you mean is football as it used to be, before it’s been taken over VAR officials, who are faceless. Rugby has it right, the ref calls for their version of VAR, it’s not automatic. He tells them what he wants checked and nothing else. It’s simple and works well.
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 29 Nov 23 2.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Painter
What you mean is football as it used to be, before it’s been taken over VAR officials, who are faceless. Rugby has it right, the ref calls for their version of VAR, it’s not automatic. He tells them what he wants checked and nothing else. It’s simple and works well. Completely agree with you Painter . . . [Link]
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JRW2 Dulwich 29 Nov 23 8.20pm | |
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When I was a young man, the simple "rule" for a rugby referee was "if you can't see it, you can't give it." Everyone accepted that referees were, like the players and spectators, fallible. I suppose people will say that that can't work in the professional era. My answer would be, "Why not?"
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