They've never bothered me and until they do, they can do what they want. I bet half of what they do is made up by the media anyway, to try and brainwash us against them.

But as soon as the so called eco zealots come knocking at my door or stopping my train, I'll be telling them. Not on my doorstep son. Go and peddle your sh!t somewhere else. I'm happy with the life I've got, and I'm not prepared to changed. Not for you, not for myself, not even for my kids or my grandkids.

That won't happen anyway. Apart from the "mainstream" news I've not seen any evidence that these protesters even exist so there's nothing to talk about really. It's just smoke and mirrors.

So what you're saying is... having a majority clean/renewable energy mix (maybe we get there in 20-30 years time) is and will always be more expensive for the consumer than the current fossil led approach?

This is factually incorrect. Take wind, for example. There is of course an installation and planning tariff (as there is for all power, including much higher figures for nuclear and gas turbine, for example) but once operational the cost per mW generated is unbelievably good. In some cases it can be cost positive. Simply isn't true. if it was, business would not bother investing as there would be no business case.

In the US in 2017 wind was coming in 50% cheaper per KwH than gas turbine power stations. And that's then – I would assume that discount has only grown larger the more mature the industry becomes.

Energy in general has spiked due to Ukraine and other factors, but is already coming down. So for balance, cost per mile pre-Ukraine was cheaper than fuel. Tesla superchargers are still cheaper than fuel. Charging from home even at these elevated electricity prices is, guess what, significantly cheaper than fuel. Some chargers are a rip off, sure. But in order to get to mass adoption the financials have to work for consumers, and they will, otherwise the business case dies and so do the companies.

If you were to replace all petrol stations in the UK with electric infrastructure and charging took an average of 3-5 minute depending on amount of charge, you're in the same place we are now. Possibly even slightly better considering not everyone who has an EV will need to use such stations regularly. Unlike petrol and diesel.

Secondly you're overlooking the fact that as the market matures, second hand cars become more and more prevalent. This makes EVs cheaper, and more accessible. And so on, and so on.

Do you think everyone had or could afford a car when they were first invented? Even at the point of the Model T era that wasn't the case.

Iterative process.

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That all sounds correct to me.

I wouldn't hold too much optimism for targets and dates being met by the ambitions outlined today, however the course will probably remain the same even if the timeframes get pushed further.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Let’s reconvene in 2031 to see what the situation actually is….

On a side note, there was and still is a business case for building more reservoirs and updating the infrastructure before more housing estates obliterate the South East, yet the houses come way before the infrastructure. Hence my pessimism that electric charging capacity will follow after the need for it and everybody suffers in the interim.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

Yep. As was recently shown they all knew about the potential for environmental damage in the 80s, and sat on it. So yeah, there's that

Nuclear isn't the sole answer though, IMO. It's hideously expensive and creates serious problems with waste disposal that aren't easily solved. Location – people don't want them next to their towns etc etc. It's a long way from a silver bullet.

However, nuclear should play a decent role within the future energy mix. The call for ditching it entirely is nonsensical in my opinion, but it isn't affordable, practical or secure for it to be the sole energy source.

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I can't see it being seamless, when has that ever happened before.

But it will have to happen. Tesla decided to cut out the middleman and just do it themselves. Probably the best approach. Business and profit always finds a way

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