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Stirlingsays 03 Apr 22 6.34pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 You do get the impression that the more people you can coerce into some sort of Orwellian nightmare the more effective it will be. Certainly the concept, or even somewhat reality of 'globalism' definitely stinks of this. It does amaze me that whether you believe such backstories/origins to be true or not, there was in actual fact various tenets established long ago in society, you know, don't murder people, be kind to one another, don't nick stuff etc etc. Yet we still seem to produce and create 'false idols' who supposedly are ever unveiling new philosophical stances apropos 'living as humans' which the rest of us are of course too stupid to, or not worthy of, questioning. I note that my arguments have a very christian foundation however albeit staggering ignorance I am pretty sure such sentiments are echoed throughout religions and denominations but hey, they all thought a 'woman' was easily definable, so what do I know?? Before I started looking more deeply into all this crap. I had kind of grown up with the impression that the elites have a duty of care....you know that unwritten social contract and all that...then you find out that it's more incidental than deliberate and that the society you thought of existed...and only partly was of the generational past. In some ways I wish I could go back to 2015 and take up fly fishing or something. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

03 Apr 22 6.34pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

You do get the impression that the more people you can coerce into some sort of Orwellian nightmare the more effective it will be. Certainly the concept, or even somewhat reality of 'globalism' definitely stinks of this.

It does amaze me that whether you believe such backstories/origins to be true or not, there was in actual fact various tenets established long ago in society, you know, don't murder people, be kind to one another, don't nick stuff etc etc. Yet we still seem to produce and create 'false idols' who supposedly are ever unveiling new philosophical stances apropos 'living as humans' which the rest of us are of course too stupid to, or not worthy of, questioning. I note that my arguments have a very christian foundation however albeit staggering ignorance I am pretty sure such sentiments are echoed throughout religions and denominations but hey, they all thought a 'woman' was easily definable, so what do I know??

Before I started looking more deeply into all this crap. I had kind of grown up with the impression that the elites have a duty of care....you know that unwritten social contract and all that...then you find out that it's more incidental than deliberate and that the society you thought of existed...and only partly was of the generational past.

In some ways I wish I could go back to 2015 and take up fly fishing or something.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Apr 22 6.35pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Migration is a fact of modern life. One that as the impact of climate change bites is likely to increase, rather than decrease. Rather than complain about the religious background of those who end up here, I would prefer to see everyone insisting that every new arrival understands that in return for us accepting them, they must commit to adopting British standards in every way. That means their religion goes on the back burner behind becoming British. Retaining a cultural identity is perfectly fine, but not at the expense of our own culture. For many, this is both natural and proudly undertaken. Entry visa requirements already require part of what I want, but I would both like this to go further and for there to be much more oversight with radical and unequivocal action taken with transgressions. Those who cannot accept making such a commitment, don't get a visa. Those who transgress lose it. I also want many more restrictions placed on religion on the public square and to see it made an entirely personal matter, practised alone or in the company of fellow believers. I am sometimes accused of being an "extremist" as a result, but there is a hard truth that lies beneath my reasoning. It's certainly radical, but if some of the things you fear are to be avoided we need to be radical, and raising the drawbridge isn't available. Immigration is inevitable, sure, if it’s needed, which it has been. But the mass immigration we’ve had and encourage or allow, wasn’t and isn’t. Your claims and wishes that Islam is put on the back burner by new immigrants is laughable. And so many start describing their background and identity with, ‘’I am a Muslim’’ rather than ‘’I am an < insert their country of origin>’’ Blair, Bush junior and the West should’ve stayed out. Should’ve listened to Jacques Chirac. Better the devil you know and all that. Stoke the hornets nest and… COYP
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Caterham 03 Apr 22 6.35pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Migration is a fact of modern life. One that as the impact of climate change bites is likely to increase, rather than decrease.

Rather than complain about the religious background of those who end up here, I would prefer to see everyone insisting that every new arrival understands that in return for us accepting them, they must commit to adopting British standards in every way.

That means their religion goes on the back burner behind becoming British. Retaining a cultural identity is perfectly fine, but not at the expense of our own culture.

For many, this is both natural and proudly undertaken. Entry visa requirements already require part of what I want, but I would both like this to go further and for there to be much more oversight with radical and unequivocal action taken with transgressions.

Those who cannot accept making such a commitment, don't get a visa. Those who transgress lose it.

I also want many more restrictions placed on religion on the public square and to see it made an entirely personal matter, practised alone or in the company of fellow believers. I am sometimes accused of being an "extremist" as a result, but there is a hard truth that lies beneath my reasoning.

It's certainly radical, but if some of the things you fear are to be avoided we need to be radical, and raising the drawbridge isn't available.

Immigration is inevitable, sure, if it’s needed, which it has been. But the mass immigration we’ve had and encourage or allow, wasn’t and isn’t.

Your claims and wishes that Islam is put on the back burner by new immigrants is laughable. And so many start describing their background and identity with, ‘’I am a Muslim’’ rather than ‘’I am an < insert their country of origin>’’

Blair, Bush junior and the West should’ve stayed out. Should’ve listened to Jacques Chirac. Better the devil you know and all that. Stoke the hornets nest and…

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Apr 22 6.40pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 You do get the impression that the more people you can coerce into some sort of Orwellian nightmare the more effective it will be. Certainly the concept, or even somewhat reality of 'globalism' definitely stinks of this. It does amaze me that whether you believe such backstories/origins to be true or not, there was in actual fact various tenets established long ago in society, you know, don't murder people, be kind to one another, don't nick stuff etc etc. Yet we still seem to produce and create 'false idols' who supposedly are ever unveiling new philosophical stances apropos 'living as humans' which the rest of us are of course too stupid to, or not worthy of, questioning. I note that my arguments have a very christian foundation however albeit staggering ignorance I am pretty sure such sentiments are echoed throughout religions and denominations but hey, they all thought a 'woman' was easily definable, so what do I know?? South London has very little respect for anyone these days. Life is cheep in parts of the world and now is in London. Sad. COYP
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Caterham 03 Apr 22 6.40pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

South London has very little respect for anyone these days. Life is cheep in parts of the world and now is in London. Sad.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Apr 22 6.42pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Before I started looking more deeply into all this crap. I had kind of grown up with the impression that the elites have a duty of care....you know that unwritten social contract and all that...then you find out that it's more incidental than deliberate and that the society you thought of existed...and only partly was of the generational past. In some ways I wish I could go back to 2015 and take up fly fishing or something. Or bowls in Truro. COYP
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Caterham 03 Apr 22 6.42pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

In some ways I wish I could go back to 2015 and take up fly fishing or something.

Or bowls in Truro.

COYP

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Stirlingsays 03 Apr 22 8.17pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Or bowls in Truro. Indeedy. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

03 Apr 22 8.17pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Or bowls in Truro.

Indeedy.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Apr 22 8.38pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays As long as I have breath in my body, I will criticise those whose politics have worsened clear provable social metrics within my homeland. Those whose politics have increased crime rates, decreased social cohesion, increased economic divides and relative wealth and promoted mental illness onto the mainstream. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Apr 2022 5.47pm) This is one of the benefits of the internet. Those who think as you do, and blame everything on others, as though their opinions are to be regarded as the undeniable truth, can let off all the steam they like without actually doing any harm to anyone. Whereas in the past, their anger lacked outlets which either caused them frustration or, possibly, others harm. So if it makes you feel better that your self-opinions and, "clear provable social metrics" get an airing, that's great. You railing against me probably helps too, so I am glad to be of service. As it's very unlikely to actually change anything, we can all relax and let you wallow in this pit of self-righteousness that you so clearly enjoy. Maybe you should set up your own YouTube channel and join all the others posting similar opinions from their bedrooms and basements. You'd enjoy the attention. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Apr 22 8.38pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As long as I have breath in my body, I will criticise those whose politics have worsened clear provable social metrics within my homeland. Those whose politics have increased crime rates, decreased social cohesion, increased economic divides and relative wealth and promoted mental illness onto the mainstream.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Apr 2022 5.47pm)

This is one of the benefits of the internet. Those who think as you do, and blame everything on others, as though their opinions are to be regarded as the undeniable truth, can let off all the steam they like without actually doing any harm to anyone.

Whereas in the past, their anger lacked outlets which either caused them frustration or, possibly, others harm.

So if it makes you feel better that your self-opinions and, "clear provable social metrics" get an airing, that's great. You railing against me probably helps too, so I am glad to be of service.

As it's very unlikely to actually change anything, we can all relax and let you wallow in this pit of self-righteousness that you so clearly enjoy. Maybe you should set up your own YouTube channel and join all the others posting similar opinions from their bedrooms and basements. You'd enjoy the attention.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Apr 22 8.42pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You want the "voting public" to "voice" their disapproval. The only way to do that, which has a chance of bringing change, is via the ballot box. Anything else only leads up to that. You don't need too much of a brain to work that out. Even yours will do. I am far from "surrender". If you actually read what I say, I have ideas and a determination to protect the culture you claim to love, but just blow hot air at. No, what impacts on politicians is the fear that you might vote for the other guy. The volume of discontent has to be turned up so loud that the idiots in power realize that change is needed. There has to be credible alternative candidates in key constituencies who speak for the majority who are sick of seeing their country dismantled piece by piece and replaced by something inferior. Do you remember how Brexit was once a pipe dream?
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03 Apr 22 8.42pm

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You want the "voting public" to "voice" their disapproval. The only way to do that, which has a chance of bringing change, is via the ballot box. Anything else only leads up to that. You don't need too much of a brain to work that out. Even yours will do.

I am far from "surrender". If you actually read what I say, I have ideas and a determination to protect the culture you claim to love, but just blow hot air at.

No, what impacts on politicians is the fear that you might vote for the other guy.
The volume of discontent has to be turned up so loud that the idiots in power realize that change is needed. There has to be credible alternative candidates in key constituencies who speak for the majority who are sick of seeing their country dismantled piece by piece and replaced by something inferior.

Do you remember how Brexit was once a pipe dream?

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Apr 22 8.57pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Immigration is inevitable, sure, if it’s needed, which it has been. But the mass immigration we’ve had and encourage or allow, wasn’t and isn’t. Your claims and wishes that Islam is put on the back burner by new immigrants is laughable. And so many start describing their background and identity with, ‘’I am a Muslim’’ rather than ‘’I am an < insert their country of origin>’’ Blair, Bush junior and the West should’ve stayed out. Should’ve listened to Jacques Chirac. Better the devil you know and all that. Stoke the hornets nest and… Talk of "mass immigration" is dangerously misleading. Yes, there is a rising trend but, if anything, it's flattening out. It's also part of a worldwide trend which is bound to affect us. We are not unusual in Europe, either. So blaming particular policies or politicians might make convenient scapegoats, but isn't really true. This might allow some context:- [Link] My views "Islam" aren't views on Islam. They are views on how everyone needs to prioritise Britishness above any religious belief. That might be a sea-change for some people, but I believe are necessary if we are to remain a cohesive society. It firstly demands changes from us. We have to put religion in its place. Then we can demand every citizen does. I know it's radical, and it will take a generation at least to become truly effective, but to dismiss it as "laughable" is to accept the status quo. If, as I believe, we won't be able to turn off the taps of new citizens, we need to ensure they accept they must behave as we expect them to. That takes effort. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Apr 22 8.57pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Immigration is inevitable, sure, if it’s needed, which it has been. But the mass immigration we’ve had and encourage or allow, wasn’t and isn’t.

Blair, Bush junior and the West should’ve stayed out. Should’ve listened to Jacques Chirac. Better the devil you know and all that. Stoke the hornets nest and…

Talk of "mass immigration" is dangerously misleading. Yes, there is a rising trend but, if anything, it's flattening out. It's also part of a worldwide trend which is bound to affect us. We are not unusual in Europe, either. So blaming particular policies or politicians might make convenient scapegoats, but isn't really true. This might allow some context:-

[Link]

My views "Islam" aren't views on Islam. They are views on how everyone needs to prioritise Britishness above any religious belief. That might be a sea-change for some people, but I believe are necessary if we are to remain a cohesive society.

It firstly demands changes from us. We have to put religion in its place. Then we can demand every citizen does.

I know it's radical, and it will take a generation at least to become truly effective, but to dismiss it as "laughable" is to accept the status quo. If, as I believe, we won't be able to turn off the taps of new citizens, we need to ensure they accept they must behave as we expect them to. That takes effort.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Apr 22 9.02pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Or bowls in Truro. There's fly-fishing here too, but the sea is all around and completely free. I have spent many happy hours on the rocks spinning for bass and mackerel. Great place to contemplate how to solve all the problems in South London. Too much intensity on the bowling green for that! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Apr 22 9.02pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Or bowls in Truro.

There's fly-fishing here too, but the sea is all around and completely free. I have spent many happy hours on the rocks spinning for bass and mackerel. Great place to contemplate how to solve all the problems in South London.

Too much intensity on the bowling green for that!

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Apr 22 9.13pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger No, what impacts on politicians is the fear that you might vote for the other guy. The volume of discontent has to be turned up so loud that the idiots in power realize that change is needed. There has to be credible alternative candidates in key constituencies who speak for the majority who are sick of seeing their country dismantled piece by piece and replaced by something inferior. Do you remember how Brexit was once a pipe dream? That's what I meant. You only change things if you vote in someone who is prepared to change things. The problem they have though is that the problem is still a problem, and unworkable solutions will stay unworkable. They may promise change, but delivering it is another matter. You don't turn lead into gold just by changing the alchemist. Brexit might have been a pipe dream for some, but holding a referendum on it was a nightmare for many. A nightmare which is becoming a reality day by day. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Apr 22 9.13pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Do you remember how Brexit was once a pipe dream?

That's what I meant. You only change things if you vote in someone who is prepared to change things.

The problem they have though is that the problem is still a problem, and unworkable solutions will stay unworkable. They may promise change, but delivering it is another matter. You don't turn lead into gold just by changing the alchemist.

Brexit might have been a pipe dream for some, but holding a referendum on it was a nightmare for many. A nightmare which is becoming a reality day by day.

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Stirlingsays 03 Apr 22 9.17pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle This is one of the benefits of the internet. Those who think as you do, and blame everything on others, as though their opinions are to be regarded as the undeniable truth, can let off all the steam they like without actually doing any harm to anyone. Whereas in the past, their anger lacked outlets which either caused them frustration or, possibly, others harm. So if it makes you feel better that your self-opinions and, "clear provable social metrics" get an airing, that's great. You railing against me probably helps too, so I am glad to be of service. As it's very unlikely to actually change anything, we can all relax and let you wallow in this pit of self-righteousness that you so clearly enjoy. Maybe you should set up your own YouTube channel and join all the others posting similar opinions from their bedrooms and basements. You'd enjoy the attention. You're my agent now? This post is the nearest I've heard you've come to supporting free speech....probably an aberration. Never mind dear, your establishment heroes will pass the 'online harms bill' and then you can go and live in your world of soviet manufactured consent. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Apr 2022 9.18pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Apr 22 9.17pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whereas in the past, their anger lacked outlets which either caused them frustration or, possibly, others harm.

So if it makes you feel better that your self-opinions and, "clear provable social metrics" get an airing, that's great. You railing against me probably helps too, so I am glad to be of service.

As it's very unlikely to actually change anything, we can all relax and let you wallow in this pit of self-righteousness that you so clearly enjoy. Maybe you should set up your own YouTube channel and join all the others posting similar opinions from their bedrooms and basements. You'd enjoy the attention.

You're my agent now?

This post is the nearest I've heard you've come to supporting free speech....probably an aberration.

Never mind dear, your establishment heroes will pass the 'online harms bill' and then you can go and live in your world of soviet manufactured consent.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Apr 2022 9.18pm)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Apr 22 9.40pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You're my agent now? This post is the nearest I've heard you've come to supporting free speech....probably an aberration. Never mind dear, your establishment heroes will pass the 'online harms bill' and then you can go and live in your world of soviet manufactured consent. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Apr 2022 9.18pm) Agents take fees. You can have my advice for nothing! I've always supported free speech. Just so long as it is lawful speech. Freedom must always exist under the law, and not above it. I haven't yet studied all the provisions of the "online harms bill", but as I believe that some controls are very much needed, am pleased to see action being taken. Having read the press release, I don't see anything that anyone ought to object to. The idea that it is replicating "soviet" content is ridiculous. It's nothing of the sort:- [Link] I feel pretty sure that it will be thoroughly scrutinised, both in committee and in the Lords, so any weaknesses will be exposed and openly debated. We can do so here! I suspect people are reacting to what they imagine this bill will do, rather than what it actually will do. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Apr 22 9.40pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You're my agent now?

This post is the nearest I've heard you've come to supporting free speech....probably an aberration.

Never mind dear, your establishment heroes will pass the 'online harms bill' and then you can go and live in your world of soviet manufactured consent.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Apr 2022 9.18pm)

Agents take fees. You can have my advice for nothing!

I've always supported free speech. Just so long as it is lawful speech. Freedom must always exist under the law, and not above it.

I haven't yet studied all the provisions of the "online harms bill", but as I believe that some controls are very much needed, am pleased to see action being taken. Having read the press release, I don't see anything that anyone ought to object to. The idea that it is replicating "soviet" content is ridiculous. It's nothing of the sort:-

[Link]

I feel pretty sure that it will be thoroughly scrutinised, both in committee and in the Lords, so any weaknesses will be exposed and openly debated. We can do so here!

I suspect people are reacting to what they imagine this bill will do, rather than what it actually will do.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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