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 Stirlingsays  02 Feb 22 8.50pm |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Yes, and I did consider that (Ukrainians and Russians = european) I think I was working more from the angle of us vs Nazis and the subsequent teaching of the holocaust etc. It's always going to spike more interest and gain better traction to teach that which people have more association with. I did not mean in anyway to detract from other atrocities that have occurred elsewhere and still recognise the potential of your point and its relevance which you were asserting however I am admittedly just trying to avoid being drawn into a far wider and deeper theoretical discussion! I fear it may outrun my own already limited knowledge and cerebral capacity/stamina! And finally yes, I find Eastern European history genuinely fascinating albeit far too frequently grim, though after my schooling days I would quite happily avoid any discussions regarding Glasnost and Perestroika ever again! We could ask why we have so much more association with one particular genocide over another on the same continent happening at roughly the same time. But that's almost not allowed today....there are lots of aspects of history around that time that aren't really known about nor talked about...like the number of Germans killed post war 45-48....the behaviour of some allied troops. There are definitely some conversations about history that are more difficult to have because of the way the west has developed over....the last fifty or so years. But it's a moot point really and I for one have enjoyed your contributions. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Feb 2022 8.54pm)
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 Hrolf The Ganger 03 Feb 22 11.18am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
We could ask why we have so much more association with one particular genocide over another on the same continent happening at roughly the same time. But that's almost not allowed today....there are lots of aspects of history around that time that aren't really known about nor talked about...like the number of Germans killed post war 45-48....the behaviour of some allied troops. There are definitely some conversations about history that are more difficult to have because of the way the west has developed over....the last fifty or so years. But it's a moot point really and I for one have enjoyed your contributions. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Feb 2022 8.54pm) There is one obvious reason why the Holocaust gets more attention than other European atrocities, and that is the predominance of Jewish people in the media. The irony I suppose is that the oppression of German Jews caused the survivors to flee to the places where they were best placed to highlight their story. Also, the Nazis were an enemy to most of Europe and the USA and therefore likely to be the focus of historical resentment to a greater extent than say the Russians who of course became 'the enemy' and remain so, which in the interests of diplomacy and an uneasy peace has produced a climate of sensitivity about their past.
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| nead1 03 Feb 22 11.55am |
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Whether you are correct about the numbers of Jewish people who are in a position to influence the media I don't know. However, what seems to be far more relevant is the nature of the crimes that were committed and how many completely innocent people died in death camps in truly horrendous circumstances. The evidence is there for all to see and learn about; that, to me, is far more relevant than possible media influence.
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| Stirlingsays 03 Feb 22 12.05pm |
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Originally posted by nead1
Whether you are correct about the numbers of Jewish people who are in a position to influence the media I don't know. However, what seems to be far more relevant is the nature of the crimes that were committed and how many completely innocent people died in death camps in truly horrendous circumstances. The evidence is there for all to see and learn about; that, to me, is far more relevant than possible media influence. I don't think it's a binary one or the other. When there is a disfigurement of power....a 'protected truths' or 'characteristics' then discussion and questions stop....not due to acceptance or agreement but down to fear. That wasn't the situation in previous generations. It happens whether it's left or right, look at what was done to Corbyn and Livingstone for example. Essentially you're are in a situation where if you even criticise Israel and have any kind of following then you are branded anti-Semitic......Yet you can criticise Iran or the Palestinians (who are also semitic) and there are no issues. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Feb 2022 12.10pm)
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| W12 03 Feb 22 1.07pm | |
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I admire Jews because they look after their own which is something severely lacking with the English. That's a very natural instinct in most parts of the world. They would not have allowed what we allowed to happen to English girls in Rotherham and many other places for example.
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| Stirlingsays 03 Feb 22 1.27pm |
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Originally posted by W12
I admire Jews because they look after their own which is something severely lacking with the English. That's a very natural instinct in most parts of the world. They would not have allowed what we allowed to happen to English girls in Rotherham and many other places for example. That is very very true. The English/British fought and won many wars and played a large part in creating the modern world. But we allowed our own destruction out of initial politeness and a political cowardice that our forebears never had. The public reaction to the mass rapes of our working class girls was so weak that it's pretty much the final proof that we are gone. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Feb 2022 1.38pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 03 Feb 22 2.29pm |
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Originally posted by nead1
Whether you are correct about the numbers of Jewish people who are in a position to influence the media I don't know. However, what seems to be far more relevant is the nature of the crimes that were committed and how many completely innocent people died in death camps in truly horrendous circumstances. The evidence is there for all to see and learn about; that, to me, is far more relevant than possible media influence. You have completely missed the point.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 03 Feb 22 2.33pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
That is very very true. The English/British fought and won many wars and played a large part in creating the modern world. But we allowed our own destruction out of initial politeness and a political cowardice that our forebears never had. The public reaction to the mass rapes of our working class girls was so weak that it's pretty much the final proof that we are gone. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Feb 2022 1.38pm) A major difference is that virtually every other 'race' is encouraged to complain about something, whereas the British are just encouraged to feel guilty. We aren't allowed to complain, even when our own children are being mass raped by foreigners. But when one White alleged rapist footballer gets another contract, all hell breaks loose.
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| Stirlingsays 03 Feb 22 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
A major difference is that virtually every other 'race' is encouraged to complain about something, whereas the British are just encouraged to feel guilty. We aren't allowed to complain, even when our own children are being mass raped by foreigners. But when one White alleged rapist footballer gets another contract, all hell breaks loose. Yeah I noticed the contrast there.
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| georgenorman 03 Feb 22 5.56pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
But when one White alleged rapist footballer gets another contract, all hell breaks loose. Does this now mean that ex-offenders should not be employed after they have served their sentences? Edited by georgenorman (03 Feb 2022 5.57pm)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 03 Feb 22 6.11pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Does this now mean that ex-offenders should not be employed after they have served their sentences? Edited by georgenorman (03 Feb 2022 5.57pm) Sex offenders are in a a different category you cannot work as a Teacher / Doctor/ any profession where you might be in contact with vulnerable people. I think professional sport should be in that category as well. That doesn't mean that these people should not have the chance of rehabilitation but they forgo the right to their chosen career.
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| georgenorman 03 Feb 22 6.30pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Sex offenders are in a a different category you cannot work as a Teacher / Doctor/ any profession where you might be in contact with vulnerable people. I think professional sport should be in that category as well. That doesn't mean that these people should not have the chance of rehabilitation but they forgo the right to their chosen career. Why should adult football be in that category, who would be at risk?
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